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Old 03-20-2008, 09:58 AM
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Well it is a Trek sticking point....
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I wish we could get over our offense at the use of ordinary words. There are obvious words that should never be used by anyone with a brain and a heart, words of hatred and dirisive insult, but "man" isn't one of them. It isn't something that we should be all hung up about.
its not really about being offended, its about being rude and exculsionary. We marked down on our papers for using gender specific language, professors have had their textbooks rejected for using gender specific language.

We as a culture have hopefully moved beyond the unconcious assumption that man includes everyone. I am not a man,

but i do NOT however belive famous quotes should be changed to reflect this. and where no man has gone before is a famous quote in my opinion.
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Old 03-20-2008, 10:08 AM
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Well it is a Trek sticking point....
Why? We are the race of "humanity", we are "humans" and our race is called "mankind". So why the hangup? I'm always seeing shows on cable about Prehistoric "man", and the rise of "man", and hear about "mankinds" ability to use tools and what-not. I just don't see the term as sexist, i see it as unifying. Instead of being black, white, asian, native american, and what not, we're just mankind or humanity. Is there something wrong with that? Am i missing something? The first time we get attacked by hostile space aliens, i'll bet you we get the point real quick!
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Old 03-20-2008, 10:12 AM
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I've never thought "man" was exclusionary....I guess it's a mindset.... some people see the "wo" in "woman" as somehow a diminutative....why not think of it as a superlative? There's the group "man"...but within that, there's a really cool group, WOMEN....after all, all women are "mankind" but not all of "mandkind" can claim the title "woman".
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Old 03-20-2008, 10:13 AM
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Berengarius7-

I'd liek to see more use of the word human, it does describe us all.

Man, for some women is like using the "n" word is for others. I understand what Red is saying.

Also agree it is HISTORICAL saying attributed to the father of warp drive, so leave it as it is.
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Hmm...then is it derogatory when I call my wife a "hot babe?" *smiles*
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Heh, w/the way they portrayed Z in First Contact they HAVE to make it 'man'.
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Old 03-20-2008, 10:16 AM
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I am not a man.
You're a female human, are you not? I'm a male one. Maybe what we need to get over, is being hung up over words. Like Uhura told Lincoln in "The Savage Curtain".
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Old 03-20-2008, 10:17 AM
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That's the reason I think ENT used that link with FC, stateing the saying was "attributed" to him.
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I've never thought "man" was exclusionary....I guess it's a mindset.... some people see the "wo" in "woman" as somehow a diminutative....why not think of it as a superlative? There's the group "man"...but within that, there's a really cool group, WOMEN....after all, all women are "mankind" but not all of "mandkind" can claim the title "woman".
Bless you, Eliza, you understand, you really do.
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