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Old 03-22-2011, 01:46 PM
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Is anyone here concerned about the events happening in the Middle East?
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Old 03-22-2011, 02:04 PM
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No, I am happy about the UN resolution and disgusted that my own country has decided to not participate in the mission to prevent Gaddafi from slaughtering his population.
About the bigger picture, the former US president wanted to bring democracy to the Middle East and now the people there as well as in North Africa take it in their own hands. As the way to democracy is always bloody (the only exceptions I am aware of are the ancient UK and the 89/90s revolutions in Eastern European countries) we should not be shocked by the violence.

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Horatio, do you think the events happening in the various Arab states will unify into a global Middle East conflict?
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The desire for democracy and freedom as well as the realization that it is feasible is spreading so there is a domino effect but I don't think that the revolutions and protests are connected beyond that. After all there are significant differences between countries like e.g. Egypt, Libya, Yemen and Iran.
Or think about the leaders, Mubarak was an ally of the West whereas Gaddafi was an enemy of the West (OK, in the last years he became more of an ally). They have like their countries also not necessarily many things in common (except that they are autocrats).
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Makes our elections here all the more interesting...
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Makes our elections here all the more interesting...
How so?
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What remains to be seen now is where these countries will go, it's not a given that they will be come democratic free states. It's far to soon to tell whether or not this is a net positive or a net negative.
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Indeed, a true revolutionary is always deeply suspicious of the outcome. After all many contemporary African despots were once democrats and in the West the path to democracy has often been quite unsteady, e.g. in France and Germany.
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What remains to be seen now is where these countries will go, it's not a given that they will be come democratic free states. It's far to soon to tell whether or not this is a net positive or a net negative.

Russia is a good example.
We thought...that was a democratic revolution but what we really got was a democracy headed by communist hardliners. It's a front.

Look at Baghdad and Afgahan.
The hearts of the people are still ignorant. They are still lead by propaganda.

Look at Germany and Japan.
We had little problems with those societies converting. The Germans didn't want a dictatorship in the first place and the Japanese were so honorable in defeat it defies every precedent of a defeated and occupied nation to date. Yet they believed their emperor was God or "god appointed." But they are like America in that the heart of the people were ready for change. Imagine if Japan had resisted. What if there was a ten year furthering of the War just because the people were being rallied by non government insurgency.

The Arab world is one of the more darker subsets of modern civilizations. It's difficult to comprehend how they've subdued they're populations and yet progressed industrialized standards. They are limited not by their religion but by their traditions they've created from their religions. They are stilled being controlled by the visions of a few power hungry individuals whose dogma is so self perpetuating a revolution may their only hope.

Apparently the people have to be allowed to suffer untill they are ready to accept your help. It's just like saving a drowning victim. You can't fight them and swim at the same time.
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