[JamesTKirk1701]

Originally Posted by kevin

Woo-hoo!! Then by that (completely arbitrary and non-definitive) definition I am a fan - thank goodness I passed the criteria - and I liked the movie. Oh no!! What went wrong with me!

And you can swim against every other 'proper' fan that liked it as much as you want to but it's going nowhere.

So.........suck it up and get over it.

The Star Trek franchise is going nowhere as well. Anyway as I figured, the message fell on deaf ears. That's ok the "new trek" is for the not so cerebral so you'll do just fine.

[JamesTKirk1701]

Originally Posted by I-Am-Zim

Other folks need to "suck it up" and "get over" the fact that all Trek fans aren't going to fall in line like good little sheep and blindly accept this abrams rubbish as the new era of Star Trek. Some of us over 25 year fans of the "real" Star Trek just can't get into the new abrams-ified fake Trek. For us, it's not Trek. It's like a bad photocopy. You can see the shape of things in the picture and it looks like something familiar, but it's just not the same. I will never accept abrams' pseudo-trek as the next phase of Star Trek. For me, TOS/TAS/The Movies/TNG/DS9/VOY...and yes...even ENT will always be true Star Trek. All abrams did was took something great and cheapened it and dumbed it down for a modern, short attention span, "I like purdy gurls flashythingies and stuffgoboom" audience. It's pathetic.

LOL I like how Zim uses people's words against them in such a way that they have no recourse or real comeback. It's just too funny.

[Livingston]

Originally Posted by JamesTKirk1701

The Star Trek franchise is going nowhere as well. Anyway as I figured, the message fell on deaf ears. That's ok the "new trek" is for the not so cerebral so you'll do just fine.

for crying out loud. Get off your high horse and quit acting like a jackass. Someone likes a movie you don't, so you resort to insulting their intelligence. You're a regular class-act buddy.

[Livingston]

Originally Posted by I-Am-Zim

Other folks need to "suck it up" and "get over" the fact that all Trek fans aren't going to fall in line like good little sheep and blindly accept this abrams rubbish as the new era of Star Trek. Some of us over 25 year fans of the "real" Star Trek just can't get into the new abrams-ified fake Trek. For us, it's not Trek. It's like a bad photocopy. You can see the shape of things in the picture and it looks like something familiar, but it's just not the same. I will never accept abrams' pseudo-trek as the next phase of Star Trek. For me, TOS/TAS/The Movies/TNG/DS9/VOY...and yes...even ENT will always be true Star Trek. All abrams did was took something great and cheapened it and dumbed it down for a modern, short attention span, "I like purdy gurls flashythingies and stuffgoboom" audience. It's pathetic.

Right, and TOS never had purdy gurls, flashy thingies and stuff going boom.

Aside from my jest I gotta agree with you quite a bit on that, Zim but for me, the new movie did catch the 'spirit' of TOS, it just lacked the substance. I mentioned it in another thread but if the next film has a more substantive story then this Nutrek will work, but as of right now, the first film feels more like an announcement, get people's attention, now they have to tell a story and as long as they do that I'm good with it, but if the next movie is all flash and no photo, then that's a bad direction that's gonna end up in Michael Bay territory somewhere I certainly don't want to see Trek going, but again with the people behind Lost and Fringe working on this, I'm hoping for some good writing out of this next one.

[JamesTKirk1701]

Originally Posted by Livingston

for crying out loud. Get off your high horse and quit acting like a jackass. Someone likes a movie you don't, so you resort to insulting their intelligence. You're a regular class-act buddy.

Thank you, I appreciate the compliment. Just the facts, it's a common known fact that people who aren't into scifi generally aren't as smart as the people who are. It takes a certain kind of person to be into the real Trek, the new Trek isn't that way though that version is for just anyone. I may not be an astrophysicist or rocket scientist but I am definitely one of the smart people. It also doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that the abrams prise would never pass the test to be a real life space worth starship. It has way too many flaws, one of them being open spaces. Also there was a reason why the torpedo loading system in the real Trek was automated, I suspect so that if anything went wrong in there nobody would get hurt. In a nutshell if you(meaning anyone) turned your back on the real Star Trek that fast then you're not a real fan of it. Alot of people here have done that thus negating their title of true Star Trek fan in the eyes us alot of us who refuse to accept abrams Trek. Thank god the star trek shop had the remastered TOS dvd set for 50% off, now I can watch all 79 without commercials plus I got it for a good price.

[Livingston]

Wow, I'm not sure what to say to that, it's so ridiculous on so many levels.

[starwarsrcks]

well what's substance

[Livingston]

something more of a story. the new movie worked in as much as introducing this new conception of trek and these reimagined versions of the original crew which pretty much they are, like them or hate them. But as far as story is concerned the movie was pretty thin, just enough of a spine to give the characters a reason to meet and a reason to resolve the problem that brought about their meeting, Nero. It'd be nice to see in the new movie more story and not so much flash. It worked this time, it was wildly successful, but playing the same trick again won't work IMO, they need some good writing, something to say. TWOK, BOT, Inner Light, The Defector, Redemption, Unification, Family, City on the Edge of Forever, Mirror, Mirror; that's story. If they combine the depth of story in those episodes with the feel and aesthetic of the new movie then they'll have something. The cast are good, the design was good, though many will disagree there with me on that.lol All it lacks is real story. Hopefully the next will have it. If it doesn't, Trek's going to end up an effect's demo reel.

[Saquist]

Originally Posted by wade8069

I'm a long time fan of Star Trek and was surprised how much criticism the latest film got. Especially with what has come out of the franchise in the last few years. So I decided to write this as a counter to all the hate pages.

http://www.bukisa.com/articles/38105...e-star-trek-xi

Also i did do a parody of it as like most films it has some flaws. But it shouldn't distract from how good the films is.

http://www.bukisa.com/articles/19115...-parody-script

Anyone else with positive opinions of the film and what things they'd like kept for star trek XII

I object to:Great:

Nothing in the movie was great, not even the special effects. Most things in the movie were good by today's standards.

Great music :
No this was good music but it didn't achieve Star Wars heights.
It's not in the same Drama music category as TWOK:TSFS or TUC but I consider them much better than ST:XI.

Great action
The action wasn't Great it was good. It wasn't spectacular, it didn't wow. I've seen better hand to hand combat in the Matrix. Better ship battles in BSG and DS9 Way of the Warrior had torpedo cams and a true fleet battle that lasted more than a 5 second report. Those were great.

Good Acting
Yes it was "good". It couldn't have been much more because of the limitations on the script.

New Enterprise

"it’s no more drastic than the change that happened when the ship was brought to the big screen." WRONG. Don't compare the well balanced proportions of Andy Proberts design to than Bulimic Cartoon. Probert would rake you over the coals. Fine... you like it, don't justify your strange taste in style by means of well a designed ship. It looks like nothing else in Trek. It's a mutant.

The uniforms

"Did anyone honestly think they could pull off the original costumes"
They looked the same to me.

Genuinely funny

"Definitely an area the TNG outings fell flat in this movie has some great lines. " I concur.

The shot of the Enterprise rising above Titan
Since the ship doesn't make me "horny" No.
The ship looked liked it was coming out of nebula instead of an atmosphere. I get it was supposed to be epic...but I wasn't impressed.
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Try to be objective. This was simply a good movie. An Hour and a half enjoyment. Only Trek Fans really care but otherwise it's very forgettable. They took no risk and they played the standard movie formula to get some mediocre (yes mediocre) money in the box office. Lets have some perspective. This movie wasn't amazing, nor ground breaking. It was a success and something to build on.

[kevin]

Originally Posted by JamesTKirk1701

The Star Trek franchise is going nowhere as well. Anyway as I figured, the message fell on deaf ears. That's ok the "new trek" is for the not so cerebral so you'll do just fine.

Coming from someone whose most eloquent description of Uhura so far started with C - that 'sex with farm animals' line struck a little too close to home back then didn't it? - I'm actually pretty happy to not be in your club or meet your approval.