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Old 06-12-2009, 02:26 AM
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Default Did the Guardian cement the Kirk/Spock/McCoy friendship?

I've been watching a lot of TOS again and it's been bringing up a lot of questions as it's been a good while since I saw them in detail.

Anyway, when TOS starts off we see Kirk/Spock and McCoy all serving on the ship and they are clearly comrades and friends - but the bantering is relatively humorous and the kind you often get at work.

I didn't get the full sense of the depth of the friendship until I watched 'The City on the Edge of Forever'.

Here, Kirk and Spock must go on that rescue mission to save McCoy and in the pursuit of that they spend more time together alone than we've seen them before, you really start to see them bond closely - not as officers, but as individuals who have to struggle to get by in a small room. Kirk is also falling in love and Spock has to break to him the news of Edith's fate. Not only is Edith's fate something that the Captain must endure, he must endure it at the same time as finding McCoy.

Even Spock and McCoy have a moment unlike any they've shared in the past - when McCoy struggles against Kirk and demands to know why Kirk did what he did, with Spock's simple 'He knows' being the only answer he can give.

I don't know - I may be rambling here - but this is the episode where I feel the experiences the three men were forced to go through in this episode to get home and prevent disaster in the future, is what truly bonded them beyond being shipmates but into the life-long friends that we see in the remainder of Star Trek.

Anyone else's thoughts?
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Old 06-12-2009, 03:03 AM
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As experience shapes relationships this ep is a defining one for Kirk Spock and Bones. That's why its generally considered the best TOS ep. The script by Harlan Ellison is intelligent and the story (re-written by Roddenberry) is one of the most moving in Trek ever. I've always wanted Ellison to get his hands on those characters again. Now it could happen.
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is that a episode when Bones said do you know what you just did and Spock says He knows doctor ""He Knows""
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Yes, that is an episode.
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Old 06-12-2009, 10:59 AM
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As experience shapes relationships this ep is a defining one for Kirk Spock and Bones. That's why its generally considered the best TOS ep. The script by Harlan Ellison is intelligent and the story (re-written by Roddenberry) is one of the most moving in Trek ever. I've always wanted Ellison to get his hands on those characters again. Now it could happen.
I definitely felt that defining nature as well about it. It was an experience shared by all three that they carried with them always.

It definitely deepened the relationships between them.
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As experience shapes relationships this ep is a defining one for Kirk Spock and Bones. That's why its generally considered the best TOS ep. The script by Harlan Ellison is intelligent and the story (re-written by Roddenberry) is one of the most moving in Trek ever. I've always wanted Ellison to get his hands on those characters again. Now it could happen.
Correct me if I am mistaken, but I believe that one of the reasons that GR re wrote the script is for budget reasons (for TV). Ellison's script would have been movie length and would have required a much bigger budget for sets and such which was just not going to happen with TOS at the time.
As it was, the way it turned out was the most perfect, in my opinion, of any Trek episode and was unmatched until TWOK.
If a remake of an episode were to be made into a movie, I would like to see Ellison's original script made into a full length movie. With the alternate time line, events in the original script would be appropriate.
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Correct me if I am mistaken, but I believe that one of the reasons that GR re wrote the script is for budget reasons (for TV).
there are so many versions about this.
this thread should develop into something quite interesting.
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there are so many versions about this.
this thread should develop into something quite interesting.
That was still a darn good episode reguardless!
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That was still a darn good episode reguardless!
Maybe, but I liked the original script way better.
And thinking about Kevin's assumption, I belive the original script would have split the trio rather than anything else.
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In what way?
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