[kevin]

Originally Posted by Saquist

Everything is a rip off of something...it's how you do it.

Actually it's how you look at it.
Rip off
Or, inspiration...

I think the difference lies only in whether the viewer enjoyed the result.

If they don't - it's a rip-off.

If they do - it's inspiration/homage/tribute...........whatever phrase one wants to use.

Myself, I don't believe there are many original tales left either, so it'll be a case of how the latest example is executed by the makers.

[starwarsrcks]

how about they throw in all the TOS characters in a galatic war

[Captain Tom Coughlin]

I really want to see the upheaval in Vulcan society caused by the destruction of their world and the affect that would have on their people, their society, their values ect. Not only would that be a natural progression from the first film, I think it would be an interesting thing to explore.

[horatio]

I agree but as much as I'd love to see such a story it seems to be a theme which better fits (or can be better explored on) the small screen.

[Captain Tom Coughlin]

Originally Posted by horatio

I agree but as much as I'd love to see such a story it seems to be a theme which better fits (or can be better explored on) the small screen.

You are of course correct, the next film will probably be another fast paced shoot 'em up type movie. Hopefully there is at least some substance to it though. They have a chance here after this last one to really breath new life back into the franchise if they don't mess it up.

[Saquist]

Originally Posted by kevin

I think the difference lies only in whether the viewer enjoyed the result.

If they don't - it's a rip-off.

If they do - it's inspiration/homage/tribute...........whatever phrase one wants to use.

Myself, I don't believe there are many original tales left either, so it'll be a case of how the latest example is executed by the makers.

Bingo.

Originally Posted by Captain Tom Coughlin

I really want to see the upheaval in Vulcan society caused by the destruction of their world and the affect that would have on their people, their society, their values ect. Not only would that be a natural progression from the first film, I think it would be an interesting thing to explore.

I d like the Vulcan to colonize the Sol System.

It'd be kewl if Parts of Earth became vulcan habitats that humans traditional don't care for...Sahara, Australian outback Mojave...

[starwarsrcks]

and did they mess up the last film not in the slightest in my honest opinion surely you always have the prime universe instead of the Abramsverse, the prime being the mother universe has 40 years to it.

[horatio]

Originally Posted by Captain Tom Coughlin

You are of course correct, the next film will probably be another fast paced shoot 'em up type movie. Hopefully there is at least some substance to it though. They have a chance here after this last one to really breath new life back into the franchise if they don't mess it up.

I am not so sure, after all the writers and producers have indicated in the last months that they intend to slow down a bit.
They rightly want to focus on the main crew and a story about Vulcan diaspora has inherently nothing to do with any of the main characters besides Spock. In a series you don't have to focus upon your main cast all the time and can explore an alien society slowly via secondary characters over some time.
But then again it should be principally possible on the big screen if the story focuses not upon slow developments but rather upon an eruption in Vulcan society. Violent and dynamic stuff might be suitable material for the big screen.
There could be Vulcans who rebel violently against Vulcan orthodoxy or Vulcans who don't believe that Nero came from the future, who want to attack Romulus and split from the Federation to do it or Vulcans who blame the weak Federation for the destruction of their planet and who intend to join their stronger cousins.
You can't do subtle stuff like e.g. in DS9 with its exploration of the complicated Bajoran-Cardassian relationship but it's not like the story has to be subtle or complicated or demand much of a setup.

[Captain Tom Coughlin]

Originally Posted by horatio

I am not so sure, after all the writers and producers have indicated in the last months that they intend to slow down a bit.
They rightly want to focus on the main crew and a story about Vulcan diaspora has inherently nothing to do with any of the main characters besides Spock. In a series you don't have to focus upon your main cast all the time and can explore an alien society slowly via secondary characters over some time.
But then again it should be principally possible on the big screen if the story focuses not upon slow developments but rather upon an eruption in Vulcan society. Violent and dynamic stuff might be suitable material for the big screen.
There could be Vulcans who rebel violently against Vulcan orthodoxy or Vulcans who don't believe that Nero came from the future, who want to attack Romulus and split from the Federation to do it or Vulcans who blame the weak Federation for the destruction of their planet and who intend to join their stronger cousins.
You can't do subtle stuff like e.g. in DS9 with its exploration of the complicated Bajoran-Cardassian relationship but it's not like the story has to be subtle or complicated or demand much of a setup.

That's kind of how I envision it, a group of Vulcans who blame the Federation and reject logic.

[Captain Tom Coughlin]

Originally Posted by Saquist

Bingo.



I d like the Vulcan to colonize the Sol System.

It'd be kewl if Parts of Earth became vulcan habitats that humans traditional don't care for...Sahara, Australian outback Mojave...

You know, that's an interesting idea.