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Old 08-24-2010, 09:59 AM
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The series might have portrayed her as nothing but a stern and hawkish officer as a contrast for the dovish Picard but as she reprimanded Picard in an episode after "I, Borg" for not having committed genocide I'd put her (without denying the complexity of the question of whether Borg genocide would be justified or not) into the "evil Admirals" box.
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Old 08-24-2010, 10:03 AM
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Yes, but one can hardly also completely dismiss her idea - how many thousands of people and races died due to later assimilation? Some of them Federation citizens.

Fair enough, she would have been thinking about the Federation only, but there were repercussions for Picard's actions that he would really never have had to face because he would never really know of them.

I mean, it's not as if the Federation wasn't prepared to deal with genocide of a species later, when it's survival was really under threat.
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Old 08-24-2010, 10:09 AM
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I started a thread once on this very subject. Countless people paid the price for Picard's decision.
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Old 08-24-2010, 10:12 AM
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And I don't know it has a 'right' answer.

It's one of those questions that I think you can see both sides of, and I think that Picard made his choice. Another captain would have made another. Another Admiral may have tried to force Picard to use the virus.

I often wonder, if you had asked Picard years later - 'would you have done the same?', what the answer would have been.

I don't think he would have regretted it, but bearing in mind some of the after-effects of his choice, I wonder if he would have had a different perspective.
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Old 08-24-2010, 10:26 AM
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I tend to think that she was right.
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Old 08-24-2010, 11:04 AM
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You can approach it from a trade-off between lives perspective but I like to view it from the angle of whether Borg genocide is right or wrong.

It can only be right if the Borg drones and the Borg ideology are inseparably connected with each other. "I, Borg" showed that this is not the case, at least not physically. I am glad that the Americans didn't approach Nazi Germany in '45 with a Nechayev attitude.
Yet on a practical level it seems to be impossible to liberate the drones from the hive mind. Regeneration showed how quickly a buch of stranded drones can build up a new collective. They are a virus and you have to crush them.
It seems to be impossible, that's the key. Our knowledge is limited so what happened to Hugh and the other drones who were picked up by Lore might be possible on a large scale. Picard thought about this whereas Nechayev only thought in terms of military logic.

I object the death penalty not because I'd have any problems with the execution of rapists and murderers but because of our human imperfections. That's precisely why I also object to a "defensive genocide" which sounds like one of the most nasty euphemisms I have ever heard.
It's funny how TNG didn't make much of a fuss of Nechayev's position whereas in DS9 it was clear that Section 31 was about to violate the basic principles of the Federation when they planned the genocide of the Dominion.
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Old 08-24-2010, 11:08 AM
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The Borg are not a race, they are a race of hostages. I would rather be killed than live that existance.
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You can't eliminate slavery by slaughtering the slaves.

It's an ideological war. Just compare it for example with the Cold War. How do you fight well against the Soviets and communism in general, by killing every Commie you see or by supporting Soviet dissidents and convincing the world that capitalism is the better ideology?

Hugh and the Lore bunch where no dissidents yet, they were just liberated from the hive mind and empty but you can convince them to help you in the fight for the liberation of their brothers and sisters and if you improve your technology you might achieve large scale liberation effects.
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Old 08-24-2010, 11:16 AM
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It's not ideology though, it's the nature of what they are
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Old 08-24-2010, 11:17 AM
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You can defeat a human government and reintegrate their population into society. You can't do that with the Borg, the Borg have no government to defeat. To defeat them, you have to defeat them all. Literally Trillions of people lost their lives due to Picard's inaction. What do you say to them?
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