[Futureguy]

Was she to be Spock's prodigy after Saavik? Would Valaris have done what Saavik did to "save" Spock?

[Quark]

Originally Posted by Futureguy

Was she to be Spock's prodigy after Savak? Would Valaris have done what Savik did to "save" Spock?

I honestly don't think so. Saavik had far more appreciation and experience with Spock than Valeris ever did. Saavik is also far more honest. She wouldn't betray Spock like Valeris did, which is why Roddenberry didn't think it a good idea to have Saavik be a conspirator. He was right. I don't think Saavik would have done all she did with Spock on Genesis only to betray him on Enterprise.

[NCC-73515]

What if she took orders from Nanclus?

[Quark]

He was the Romulan Ambassador.

[horatio]

I think NCC implied that Valeris might have been a Romulan agent ... and whether people like it or not, she was meant to be Saavik and only this explains the strong feelings Spock has for her which lead to disappointment, frustration and violence in the mind-rape scene.

About Valeris being present on Khitomer, it makes perfect sense to show your cards and force the conspirators to surrender immediately.

[Futureguy]

Originally Posted by horatio

I think NCC implied that Valeris might have been a Romulan agent ... and whether people like it or not, she was meant to be Saavik and only this explains the strong feelings Spock has for her which lead to disappointment, frustration and violence in the mind-rape scene.

About Valeris being present on Khitomer, it makes perfect sense to show your cards and force the conspirators to surrender immediately.

Did anyone ever find any footage/info about whether Saavik was "with child" from STIV? There was some statement from someone about one cut of the movie having an indication she was. Something Spock's mother said to her as the BOP was leaving Vulcan?

[horatio]

No idea but I find the idea of an offspring of Saavik and the katra-less Spock a bit disturbing. A bit like getting impregnated by a zombie.

[Futureguy]

Originally Posted by horatio

No idea but I find the idea of an offspring of Saavik and the katra-less Spock a bit disturbing. A bit like getting impregnated by a zombie.

In the movie, katra-less Spock seemed to have some kind of conscious, though it would have been more of an instinctive reaction to surroundings. He was "aware" of Saavik and did participate in the "ritual" as she showed him to do. My guess is that Spock's original katra was combined with the new one and since the new one was un(der)developed, it was the dominant. I suppose that what ever the regenerated Spock felt before the original Spock was "returned" was retained. The regenerated Spock was not exactly as he was in "Spock's Brain". There McCoy had to create a device to make Spock self-mobile, though by remote control.

I just think of a clone of someone growing up separate from its source. The clone would, under normal development, "establish" it's own "soul", so to speak. In the movie, that body grew so fast, it did not have time to establish a true separate identity. Spock's katra just filled the void.

[horatio]

This makes sense, he was basically the equivalent of a hospitalized child which grew up superfast and without culture, language, etc. until Spock's katra overwrote his mind. But then their offspring would not be Spock's child but the child of Saavik and this primitive and culture-less Vulcan who shares nothing with Spock besides his body.

That's why I hope that Saavik was on contraceptives when she screwed PrimitiveSpock during his first pon farr, it simply wouldn't be Spock's child.

[Futureguy]

Originally Posted by horatio

This makes sense, he was basically the equivalent of a hospitalized child which grew up superfast and without culture, language, etc. until Spock's katra overwrote his mind. But then their offspring would not be Spock's child but the child of Saavik and this primitive and culture-less Vulcan who shares nothing with Spock besides his body.

That's why I hope that Saavik was on contraceptives when she screwed PrimitiveSpock during his first pon farr, it simply wouldn't be Spock's child.

Would be a genetic child.
Would the away kit have contained such things?