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Old 03-16-2008, 03:10 PM
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I kind of take it literally. Think about it. In two seperate instances where lives depend on Spock, he acts completely recklessly, impulsive, and emotionally without considering the logic.

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Old 03-16-2008, 08:36 PM
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It's possible to construct a logical argument for Spock sacrificing himself to save the rest of the crew...a) it's his crew, his students, he is the responsible "adult" b) he's stronger...there's some heavy lifting involved in that stunt and ordering Scotty to give it a try would likely result in failure.

I do agree that Kirk's eulogy was amazing...I still can't watch that scene (or even really read about it) without tearing up...I remember just weeping when I saw it in the theater.

I think if Spock had known what Kirk said at his funeral, and how heartfelt it was, he would take care to never remind Kirk of the moment and to certainly never make him feel bad about it, unless it was in an extremely affectionate teasing moment...again, I guess I need to rewatch (I dislike that movie, so am reluctant).
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Old 03-16-2008, 11:15 PM
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I'll fifth... or twelfth that: the scene was Shatner's finest moment of all the films, in my book. You can't fake a break like that in your voice, he was in the moment 100%. And if he emails me tomorrow to call me a liar and that he utterly 'techniqued' the moment, then he's all the more an amazing actor.
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Old 03-17-2008, 12:25 AM
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It's possible to construct a logical argument for Spock sacrificing himself to save the rest of the crew...a) it's his crew, his students, he is the responsible "adult" b) he's stronger...there's some heavy lifting involved in that stunt and ordering Scotty to give it a try would likely result in failure.

I do agree that Kirk's eulogy was amazing...I still can't watch that scene (or even really read about it) without tearing up...I remember just weeping when I saw it in the theater.

I think if Spock had known what Kirk said at his funeral, and how heartfelt it was, he would take care to never remind Kirk of the moment and to certainly never make him feel bad about it, unless it was in an extremely affectionate teasing moment...again, I guess I need to rewatch (I dislike that movie, so am reluctant).
It was Eliza, 'an extremely affectionate teasing moment', at least that's how I remembered it. When I heard it, I immediately thought of Kirk's Eulogy. I like that theory about Spock sacrificing himself. I never thought of it that way!
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Old 03-17-2008, 05:50 AM
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Well Spock made the logical choice, "The needs of the mnay, outwheigh the needs of the few." Which was only one of the themes of this film.

Spock chose to save the crew. He knew he could live long enough to do what needed to be done, humans couldn't obviously, or Scotty would have done it.

I allways felt what Kirk meant by the "most human" comment was more like "Most humane" because of Spock's reverence for life and his dedication to his shipmates.
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Old 03-17-2008, 07:37 PM
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I'll fifth... or twelfth that: the scene was Shatner's finest moment of all the films, in my book. You can't fake a break like that in your voice, he was in the moment 100%. And if he emails me tomorrow to call me a liar and that he utterly 'techniqued' the moment, then he's all the more an amazing actor.
Definitely. I defy anyone to watch that scene and call Shatner a "wooden" actor. I kind of always felt that his particular style was more in how he interpreted the character anyway. I don't see James Kirk in everything Shatner does. I think the dramatic pauses and the "over acting" are attributes of James T. Kirk, not William Shatner.
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T.J. Hooker wasn't a "pauser".... and I don't hear a lot of pausing in Boston Legal...

Shatner's not a bad actor at all....the thing is, he--along with the producers and writers--created an iconic character and iconic characters transcend their source to become standards for everyone....
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Eliza-

you are so right on the pausing thing, mayeb it's thsoe priceline ads, he had to speed up! LOL!

Even you have to admit every charter Shatner plays is "Kirk with a..." (badge, breifcase, ect ect.)
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Kirk is a legend but Shatner is also a legend in his own right.
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T.J. Hooker wasn't a "pauser".... and I don't hear a lot of pausing in Boston Legal...

Shatner's not a bad actor at all....the thing is, he--along with the producers and writers--created an iconic character and iconic characters transcend their source to become standards for everyone....
Definitely a great actor. I think he's one of the most underrated actors around. This video here, you know, when I first saw it, I thought it was funny but to tell the truth, but, I do think it's a great performance, check it out.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=U0GAjK64VZg

Okay, he's got some of the pauses, but it's good!
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