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Old 03-15-2008, 02:13 AM
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"....his was the most human."

Does anyone else think Spock would have found that comment insulting? Spock spent a lifetime attempting to be as Vulcan as possible while downplaying and ignoring his human heritage. Then his best friend says that line while delivering his eulogy. That has always bothered me.
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Old 03-15-2008, 05:59 AM
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it was his death...I don't think he'd really be insulted by it...It was his best friend.
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"....his was the most human."

Does anyone else think Spock would have found that comment insulting? Spock spent a lifetime attempting to be as Vulcan as possible while downplaying and ignoring his human heritage. Then his best friend says that line while delivering his eulogy. That has always bothered me.
It shouldn't.

Kirk didn't mean it as an insult, and I don't think that Spock would have taken it as one (or even feigned offense).

I prefer to think Kirk was making a statement on how much he cared for his friend and exactly how much he meant to him.
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Old 03-15-2008, 12:51 PM
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Spock would have logically taken the comment in its context as intended by his best friend, and not a literal translation of one word out of context.
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Old 03-15-2008, 01:03 PM
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Spock would have understood. Kirk was "so human" and didn't Spock tell Saavik that no one is perfect?
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Old 03-15-2008, 01:43 PM
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If my best friend said to me...Hey you're the best black friend I ever had....
we'd both know it was a joke meant in affection. He would know that I don't identify with my black heritge at all.

That's how friends work.
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Old 03-15-2008, 02:05 PM
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If my best friend said to me...Hey you're the best black friend I ever had....
we'd both know it was a joke meant in affection. He would know that I don't identify with my black heritge at all.

That's how friends work.
You're the best black poster I've ever read.
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Old 03-15-2008, 02:24 PM
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I think he would've found it insulting, perhaps coming from anyone else. He would've understood it coming from his friend Kirk, or at least what Kirk meant by it.

They touched on it again later, where Kirk says, 'You know Spock, everyone's human.' and Spock says he finds that insulting, but again, I think he would've understood what Kirk meant and felt the sentiment, he is half human afterall.
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I think Spock would have known that Kirk was paying him a complement. It's the meaning we attach to words that matter, not the word itself. But Spock would have raised his eyebrow, I'm sure of that!
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Old 03-15-2008, 03:28 PM
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In ST: 6 he says he found that insulting...but it was one of Spocks jokes we know him by so well.
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