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Old 03-31-2010, 08:21 PM
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Actually it probably isn't surprising, although in the movie McCoy makes two statements on the matter, both of which have potentially two different meetings. On the battlecruiser, I believe McCoy states, "Jim, I don't even know his anatomy." At the trial, I believe McCoy states, "I didn't have the medical knowledge I needed for Klingon anatomy." We can probably discount the first statement to an extent as being something he just said given the urgency of the situation. McCoy's knowledge of Klingon anatomy is probably sufficient enough that he can recognize one with his tricorder, just as he did on K-7.
I'd forgotten about that second line. That line in the court does give it a bit more context and yeah, under the circumstances during the first line, it is just sort of a reaction to the situation, the urgency as you said.
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A small war wouldn't have led to the Federation agreeing to give up cloaking technology. It was a war that shaped the galaxy, I imagine it was a very large scale war. This is more a matter of different writers having different takes on it, and fans trying to reconcile the fact that Enterprise shows us a very different state of affairs than what Spock describes in TOS.
The Federation didn't give up the use and research of cloaking technology for the resolution of the Romulan War. The Treaty of Algeron is for the TOMED incident which occured in the 24 century.
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Yep, Horatio pointed that out to me. I was wrong on that one.
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I'd forgotten about that second line. That line in the court does give it a bit more context and yeah, under the circumstances during the first line, it is just sort of a reaction to the situation, the urgency as you said.
We can probably further infer on McCoy's state of mind and its potential affect on his first statement on the battlecruiser from the subsequent line of questioning that Chang did at the trial when he asked McCoy, "Did your hand shake?" to which McCoy replied, "I was nervous."

I have way too much dialogue from the first 6 movies committed to memory.
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Old 04-01-2010, 08:59 AM
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Indeed. When you look at Midway in 1942, Japan had the largest fleet and still did even after that battle. However, they lacked the industrial capability to replace the carriers they lost in the battle. They also lost a lot of their veteran crews there. Both losses they were unable to recover from. The Japanese lost 4 of its 6 fleet carriers. The US lost just 1. This brought both sides pretty much even in terms of fleet carriers with Japan still having the Shokaku and Zuikaku, although Japan still had Ryujo, Junyo, and Hiyo but these were much smaller carriers with limited effectiveness. The United States was left with just the Enterprise and Hornet, a few months later even the Hornet would be lost and the Enterprise would be the only US carrier in the Pacific. Despite this, the US had the industrial capacity to replace the carriers and in a matter of a year or so, the US would gain carrier superiority. Neither side could afford additional carrier losses, but in the long run, Japan could afford it least of all.
Yeah, some of that sparks a recollection of a couple of books I used to have (one on the history and development of Aircraft Carriers and another one about Pearl Harbor) but which I no longer have.
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Perhaps one of the more interesting renditions I've seen of the Earth Romulan War came from an old DC Comic series. It was a Mirror Universe series that was their rendition of the events following The Search For Spock. Instead of dealing with the whale song probe, the threat is an invasion by the Terran Empire. Instead of a project Genesis, the Terran Emprire's Dr. Carol Marcus was working on a way to open a gateway into the prime universe. Amusingly, after a battle with the ISS Enterprise, Kirk takes the Excelsior right from under Captain Stiles and takes the USS Excelsior into the mirror universe and posses at the mirror universe's Kirk. While there he learns that the history in the mirror universe was mostly the same as the prime universe up until the Earth Romulan War. In the mirror the Earth Romulan War was fought largely in Earth's solar system. Earth fell under Romulan occupation and humans basically became slaves. Eventually an uprising took place which defeated the Romulan occupations forces. The new Earth government that rose from the ashes of the Romulan occupation took on a policy that Earth would never again be conquered, but instead would be the conqueror.
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Very interesting
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The end of the story takes on a completely different twist with Kirk retaining the rank of admiral. Saavik is retained as a permanent member of the crew and they are all permanently assigned to the USS Excelsior; except for Spock who is given command of an Oberth class science ship, the USS Surak.
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...I don't like that Spock thing...he deserves a better assignment. But he has no ego so he'd accept it.
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Now there's nothing wrong with an Oberth Class ship!

It's not how big it is, it's where you explore with it!
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