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Old 03-15-2008, 05:45 AM
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you good be right as Sisko was in command of DS9 and was (only?) a commander
It might have been because the producers felt that starbase commander sounded better than starbase captain.

It was a just a creative call on their part, but I think they didn't want Sisko to rank higher than Picard in the pilot, though...
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Old 03-15-2008, 05:51 AM
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Captain's in the Navy are given Command of ships...It's naval authority
Commanders would be the appropriate rank for a Base which are not norally in battle and his purpose is strictly operational.

A Captain will always be the Military equal of Commander N Chief while deploy but obligated to orders. Base Commanders do not have than authority all their orders come from central.
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Old 03-17-2008, 05:52 PM
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Not every captain commands a ship, though. In the real Navy, many captains have ground-based duties with rank equivalent to an Army colonel. I think DS9 rated a captain's billet from day one myself...

But in TOS, we saw commodores typically in command of starbases. In a way, that kind of made sense because starbases generally were the primary command base for all ships within their sectors.
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Captain's in the Navy are given Command of ships...It's naval authority
Commanders would be the appropriate rank for a Base which are not norally in battle and his purpose is strictly operational.

A Captain will always be the Military equal of Commander N Chief while deploy but obligated to orders. Base Commanders do not have than authority all their orders come from central.
Commanders get ships in the Royal Navy. All of the UK's submarines are commanded by commanders, as are some of our frigates and destroyers. Despite their actual rank they're usually called "captain" or "boss" by their crew.
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Commanders get ships in the Royal Navy. All of the UK's submarines are commanded by commanders, as are some of our frigates and destroyers. Despite their actual rank they're usually called "captain" or "boss" by their crew.
That's true for the U.S. Navy as well. Some smaller support ships even rate lieutenant commanders or even lieutenants as their captains. They're still addressed as captains aboard their vessel, not only out of tradition but because it is their actual job description.
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like in one of the episode Dax was in command and they called her captain, O'Brien axplained that to Nog, he said it was an old navel tradition
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This is how I usually explain it:

1 Pip: Ensign
2 Pips: Lieutenant
3 Pips: Commander
4 Pips: Captain

A Lieutenant Junior Grade is simply a Junior Lieutenant.

A Lieutenant Commander is simply a Junior Commander.

Historically, the Lieutenant Commander rank was devised to provide a senior officer for ships with very small crews, so that the Captain (in this case a Lieutenant Commander) would have a higher rank than the other officers. The captain of the ship is the highest ranked officer. SO: If there are 7 or 8 Lieutenants on a ship, but the ship is too small to warrant assigning a Commander, a Lieutenent Commander would be assigned.

Most smaller ships are in fact Captained by Commanders.

A Commodore was a flag officer (aka "the admiralty") and was usually the Captain of a very large ship, with a Captain acting as First Mate. The US Navy did away with Commodores, since most ships were Captained by Captains.

I suppose there will still be Commodores in any United Earth Armed Forces, since most other navies (like the UK) still have Commodores. Technically there still are Commodores in the US Navy, they just don't call them that anymore. Same pay grade, though.
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A Lieutenant Commander is simply a Junior Commander.
You can definitely look at it that way--and I tend to do so myself--but truthfully, the term "Lieutenant Commander" actually was/is used to describe a senior lieutenant. It's shorthand for "Lieutenant In Command."
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okay, that would axplain a lot,

wat about fleet-captain then? I know the rank existed in TOS (Pike) but was it abandoned afterwerd? it was above captain under commodore
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okay, that would axplain a lot,

wat about fleet-captain then? I know the rank existed in TOS (Pike) but was it abandoned afterwerd? it was above captain under commodore
I was afraid someone was going to ask about fleet captain...

"Fleet Captain" is something that's been debated in Trekdom for quite some time and there's never been a consensus on it. Historically, it was used as a title in a couple of European navies in the 18th-Century, and it was a proposed rank for the U.S. Navy that was never actually used.

However, had the U.S. Navy went forward with the rank of fleet captain, it would have been a rank between commodore and captain.

It's been speculated that in TOS, the rank insignia for a fleet captain would have been three solid stripes, since captains only had two solid stripes and one broken stripe in the middle...
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