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Old 02-26-2010, 01:46 PM
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It's okay now, it helped me understand people who have such problems. So it actually was useful in some way.
What if you can't fight the people because they are out of reach - or too close...?
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It's okay now, it helped me understand people who have such problems. So it actually was useful in some way.
What if you can't fight the people because they are out of reach - or too close...?
You are correct. Sometimes you can't just beat the crap out the person causing you such pain.
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Besides, that would make you inferior
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Besides, that would make you inferior
Not more so than hurting yourself... I imagine
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Anyone here consider suicide a sin?
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Not being religious myself - no, I do not view in those kinds of terms.
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Anyone here consider suicide a sin?
I even think it is the other way around.
Those who had a lot of pain on earth God might be more mercyful with than with those who had an easy and rich life.

The misunderstanding imho is that the Christian religion is a religion that focuses on life, not death (in oposite to those who preach that you have to wait for a better afterlife). Those verses that preach pro life are often turned around and used against suiciders, although their intention doesn't aim at suicide, but at those who make big death rituals, teach people that they have to wait until death and that they have to suffer during life, that teach you have to hate life...
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Anyone here consider suicide a sin?

The common Hebrew term translated “sin” is chat‧ta’th′; in Greek the usual word is ha‧mar‧ti′a. In both languages the verb forms (Heb., cha‧ta’′; Gr., ha‧mar‧ta′no) mean “miss,” in the sense of missing or not reaching a goal, way, mark, or right point. At Judges 20:16 cha‧ta’′ is used, with a negative, to describe the Benjamites who were ‘slingers of stones to a hairbreadth and would not miss.’ Greek writers often used ha‧mar‧ta′no with regard to a spearman missing his target. Both of these words were used to mean missing or failing to reach not merely physical objects or goals.

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If God purposed you to live in peace with your fellow man and you murder him then you've missed the target.

If God purposed you the live and you kill yourself, then you've missed the target or "sinned"

Note: There is an occasion of suicide in the Bible: Samson which God allowed- When he brought the stone house down upon the philistines and himself dying in the process. The power to do so was requested and given.

Although his death had a specific purpose. Like Jesus Christ who's death could be considered a suicide made no effort to escape and apparently knew what would happened and waited for it.

Sin happens way to often to be concerned with whether suicide is a sin.
There are far more serious and debilitating sins than taking your own life (in my opinion) At least they are at peace and whatever war they were waging in life is over.

For most of my teenage years I had a death wish.
Even today I occasionally think about the silence and the calm it would bring. It's an awful world we live in and sometimes nothing we do brings peace.
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No. It is one's very own decision and everyone has the right to terminate his life the way (s)he deems appropriate.
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