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Old 02-23-2010, 09:27 AM
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Then I guess I'm degenerate, 'coz I love 'em both.
Me Too!!! Well, the degenerate part I totally admit to when it comes to crude comedy!!

Though those shows are not really doing much for me lately.
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Old 02-23-2010, 09:44 AM
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Personally, I'm very angry at South Park and the people who think it's better than Family Guy. They must be punished and the show must die, because it's not cool to watch a series where one of the boys thinks it's okay to discriminate the Jews just because Hitler did it, and he was sicker than John Hinkley.
The show isn't antisemitic just because Cartman is an antisemite, it's not like Cartman is supposed to be the nice guy in the show.
In case you don't know, one of the two guys who make the show and whose stand-in in the show is Kyle is a Jew.

As already mentioned, the show makes fun of everyone and everything and naturally this includes oneself and one's own religious background.
Self-irony is quite important in a pluralistic society. It also holds one's ego at bay.
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Old 02-23-2010, 09:58 AM
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I think South Park has a certain quality, because it makes fun of all the things that usually are taken very serious and only talked about politically correct. By using such an offensive kind of dealing with hot topics South Park forces its audience to think about them.

BTW: Those who always offer the moral of the story are usually not on Cartman's side
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Old 02-23-2010, 10:17 AM
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Personally, I'm very angry at South Park and the people who think it's better than Family Guy. They must be punished and the show must die, because it's not cool to watch a series where one of the boys thinks it's okay to discriminate the Jews just because Hitler did it, and he was sicker than John Hinkley.
You should watch the South Park episodes "Cartoon Wars Part 1 & 2"

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They're degenerate forms of entertainment.
That's a matter of opinion.

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I wouldn't touch either with a 50' poll. Neither will my kids if I have them.
What you feed the eyes issues forth from the mouth.
You sure you haven't seen "South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut" because you're comment is very reminiscent of some of the things Kyle's mom says in that film. Are you planning a war against Canada by any chance?
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Old 02-23-2010, 10:53 AM
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That's a matter of opinion.
It's actually a matter of standards.
More is more. Less is less.

I talk to people with higher standards than I have all the time.
It's not a matter of opinion. It's a matter of choice.
I can't disagree with the reasons why some of my friends will not see certain movies like Avatar. It breaches a certain standard they have for entertainment. The reason they have for those standards is solid. I don't feel they are any more "superior" than I as a person. I do consider them more spiritually cautious than I am though. I don't out my way to isolate or demote their position.

My Spiritual Brothers and Sister may identify the African style rituals and use of Deities in Avatar as spiritism meaning that they are viewing a form of false religion or idol worship.

It's true: There is no doubt about that.

South Park and Family Guy both portray poor language, visuals and behavior are very sub-par human behavior. If people actually behaved in such a way it would be unacceptable. Like all humans we learn by doing, imitating and viewing. Repetition breeds a specialist.

I know by watching such shows the glorify violence and crude language I become susceptible to such behavior myself. It's a simple corner stone to all humans. You cannot expect to get a good person out of bad training.

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You sure you haven't seen "South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut" because you're comment is very reminiscent of some of the things Kyle's mom says in that film. Are you planning a war against Canada by any chance?

I'm pretty sure they've heard all the arguments.
The point of the show is to remove moral standards so obviously they are knowledgeable in the target for controversy.
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Old 02-23-2010, 11:01 AM
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I think South Park has a certain quality, because it makes fun of all the things that usually are taken very serious and only talked about politically correct. By using such an offensive kind of dealing with hot topics South Park forces its audience to think about them.

BTW: Those who always offer the moral of the story are usually not on Cartman's side
Think about that.

The show takes a serious topic and makes light of it.
Hitler : To which many have died for.
Jesus: To which many worship or honor.

Making light of them makes light of their faith...their suffering.
No one thinks about them, they only learn that it's now acceptable to offend others opening...

I've been on the XBOX live games and children are repeating racist statements and slurs oblivious to the severity of their language. Child like voices uttering man's worse expletives.

We're learning hate at an ever younger age.
I'm very resistant to it even in the face that so many applaud.
But I've never followed the crowd.
The crowd has never liked me...
but I'm merely indifferent.
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Old 02-23-2010, 11:31 AM
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Maybe I overreacted. How do you remove forum posts?
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Old 02-23-2010, 11:39 AM
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It's actually a matter of standards.
What standards?

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Maybe I overreacted. How do you remove forum posts?
In my opinion you did but like martok2112 said it has sparked an interesting discussion so it was worth it. I don't think you can delete a thread. I think only a moderator can and we don't have any of those anymore.

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Old 02-23-2010, 11:42 AM
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Maybe I overreacted. How do you remove forum posts?
I wouldn't say you've overreacted, and indeed, you've sparked an interesting discussion.

Don't sweat it. We all have our touchy spots. Sometimes, it's good to air 'em out once in a while.
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Old 02-23-2010, 11:45 AM
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What standards?
That's exactly what I've been asking.
Apparently their are no standards.
They are absent.

The FCC in America isn't designed to up hold ANY morality only rights. In particular, the right to free speech. According to the Constitution any censorship is illegal but the Government establish that there is "need" amidst the young and influenced to screen.

It's a contradictory system where the RIGHT means more than doing the right thing.
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