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Old 10-11-2010, 12:12 PM
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Well, that's where you make it an arc for a season or so, then have them settle into the combined crew and move the story along into other areas.

It doesn't mean spending 7 seasons doing it.
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Ya know, that's one show I have yet to check out. So far, I've been disinterested, despite my love for pretty much all things StarGate. (movie, SG-1, follow up films, and Atlantis).
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Well, that's where you make it an arc for a season or so, then have them settle into the combined crew and move the story along into other areas.

It doesn't mean spending 7 seasons doing it.
Aye, but sometimes, the writers don't always realize that.
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Old 10-11-2010, 12:15 PM
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Sure, there could've been many stories about tensions between the Starfleet and Maquis crews, but that would've worn out quickly over time.

Star Trek is entertainment first....headiness second.
Well, that's where you make it an arc for a season or so, then have them settle into the combined crew and move the story along into other areas. Such as experiences and moments testing their resolve to commit to their ideals and principles, having a couple of moments of failure and success. These could have been tied into the overall vulnerability and precarious position of the ship in the middle of nowhere.

It doesn't mean spending 7 entire seasons doing it. You can still have lighter episodes as well, and ones which reinforce the normal Trek type values.
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Aye, but sometimes, the writers don't always realize that.
Drat, you got in before I posted my edited draft - but, aside, I think that some writers realised that, but they were outvoted when it came to final decisions being made about how the show would progress.
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I agree with your assessment that the first season could've been the arc for the crews to have the integration shakedown...have some conflicts arise, somehow get them resolved (usually in the face of a greater crisis that threatens all), and then learn from their mistakes.

After the first season, the crews integrate, and get along generally well....but on a RARE occasion, have something come up that could potentially threaten to desabilize the integrated crew, and start drawing battle lines again. This is a tool one would NOT want to use with any greater frequency than perhaps once every three or four seasons (even could make a three or four episode arc out of the story to emphasize the urgent nature of the tensions). To use it once per season would fall into the predictability category. ("Oh, the crew'll get back together, and it'll all be like nothing's happened.")
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I would have rathered that the crew never fully came together, that would have been more interesting.
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You'd even have interesting conflict between the members of the Maqui between those that choose to assimilate and those who feel that they are being betrayed.
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You'd even have interesting conflict between the members of the Maqui between those that choose to assimilate and those who feel that they are being betrayed.
That would have been good to see, it was hinted it at very rarely when showing Torres starting to mature into a Starfleet officer, but mostly it was a lost opportunity.

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Drat, you got in before I posted my edited draft - but, aside, I think that some writers realised that, but they were outvoted when it came to final decisions being made about how the show would progress.
That's pretty much what happened to Piller, he wanted to push his running storylines like Paris pretending to be bad, Seska, the Kazon. If you look at the end of season 2 when he left, so did all those running story elements.
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Funnily enough, it was the third season that I felt VOY started to shift into a place where I increasingly lost interest in it.

That said, there is also a neat dramatic 'escape door' for plots that aren't working when you have a ship on a route - you just move beyond the region of space and then they're gone! But there were certain plot strands that perhaps weren't fully used before being written out.
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