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Old 02-07-2010, 12:37 AM
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The problem with a reboot of plain reboot of TOS is that if you take away the fact we can't travel very fast yet and just look at the computers/ tech of the time, we have already surpassed most of what they saw as being futuristic. We have touch screen technology, voice recognition etc. So to make the Enterprise look futuristic it had to go many steps further than many of us were particularly happy with. Even TNG and Voyager nowadays look very dated.
Exactly - look at things like Spock's and the TOS data cards (i.e floppy discs). In todays tech they have long been consigned to the dustbin and having them in the new film in any way would be an anachronism.

They had to try and make it look like somthing that's futuristic from today's perspective, not the 1965 perspective and yet also make certain elements (tricorders, phasers) resemble their predecessors enough to be recognised for what they are.

As a contemporary take on a command centre the new Bridge works just fine, using the basic layout of the traditional bridge to build from.

And as we all know it's a common problem of trying to predict what things will look like in the future anyway. Real world tech moves far faster than set designers and production designers can depict, especially the farther ahead you want to set your TV show/film.

Some get it a bit closer than others but at some point it all gets overtaken by the real world.
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I think it would have worked just fine. If they had a good story that is. And a good villain. As for the "brick for brick" part, I have never said I wanted that. A 100% faithful replication of the sets and ships from TOS would have looked silly on the big screen in a 21st century movie. What I have always maintained is that the Enterprise would have looked fantastic on the big screen if it were given more detail and realistic features. Such as those rendered by Deg3d and Vektor. The TOS bridge could easily have been updated with more modern materials, controls, and displays and looked just fine on the big screen. There was no need, in my opinion, for such a radical and sweeping redesign of the entire TOS universe as we knew it. There was also no need to resort to the time travel crutch. A straight origin story would have worked just fine. They could easily have remained true to the established continuity of the existing Star Trek universe without resorting to all the rediculous contrivances in the new movie. Unfortunately, I'm not a writer, nor am I creative enough to come up with a good enough story, or I'd write one. But there are writers in Hollywood who could have. I was very disapointed with the story direction. But that's just me. Anyway, I do believe a straight origin story would have worked just fine with the right writers/director at the helm.
Zim, for the first time, I think I can actually see what you are talking about. And scarier still, I really like it.
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I think it would have worked just fine. If they had a good story that is. And a good villain. As for the "brick for brick" part, I have never said I wanted that. A 100% faithful replication of the sets and ships from TOS would have looked silly on the big screen in a 21st century movie. What I have always maintained is that the Enterprise would have looked fantastic on the big screen if it were given more detail and realistic features. Such as those rendered by Deg3d and Vektor. The TOS bridge could easily have been updated with more modern materials, controls, and displays and looked just fine on the big screen. There was no need, in my opinion, for such a radical and sweeping redesign of the entire TOS universe as we knew it. There was also no need to resort to the time travel crutch. A straight origin story would have worked just fine. They could easily have remained true to the established continuity of the existing Star Trek universe without resorting to all the rediculous contrivances in the new movie. Unfortunately, I'm not a writer, nor am I creative enough to come up with a good enough story, or I'd write one. But there are writers in Hollywood who could have. I was very disapointed with the story direction. But that's just me. Anyway, I do believe a straight origin story would have worked just fine with the right writers/director at the helm.
I could not have said it better, Zim!! This is how I feel, although I probably would have been much more forgiving of all the BS had I been given a version Trek that was more like Trek of past. Yes, I am speaking of the details that make me feel "at home".
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Zim, for the first time, I think I can actually see what you are talking about. And scarier still, I really like it.
Wow. Thanks. Really, that means a lot coming from you.

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Ya know, stranger things have happened.

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I could not have said it better, Zim!! This is how I feel, although I probably would have been much more forgiving of all the BS had I been given a version Trek that was more like Trek of past. Yes, I am speaking of the details that make me feel "at home".
There ya go. That's all I'm sayin. It could have been done. Paramount just decided to take the easy way out. IMO, of course.
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I don't think there was anything 'easy' about relaunching a franchise and investing in it to the level they did when they had absolutely no guarantee that it would work in the way it was supposed to.

The entire project was a relative high gamble, and as with all gambles - there are winners and losers.
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I neither agree nor disagree. Rather, I have decided to objectively observe that there were two ways this film could have gone: The way that it did, and the way that I previously mentioned. Zim prefers something much more familiar, without an alternate timeline. I suppose I would have loved whatever the hell they had given me, unless it was a DS9 movie.
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Well I think it is good they are going down a different path would you have liked if it the reboot wasn't made just wondering.
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If they had made a real prequel that is set in the Prime timeline, it would be rather boring, because everyone knows that the bridge crew will survive all following movies simply because they are still there in TUC.
The writers' approach with a new timeline which is completely unpredictable makes STXI better than the SW prequels or ENT, where we already knew the end before we even saw the beginning. We knew the Xindi wouldn't destroy Earth - but now Vulcan has been destroyed, so everything can change! The future is new again and can be explored because it's really the new undiscovered country. Once more unto the breach, dear friends.
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