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Old 01-25-2010, 10:28 AM
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It would also have been redundant and added nothing significant - as with elements of the new film the audience is 'trusted' by the writers to follow there has been a time cut between the two in which they got costumed and went to the transporter room.

In a film, you don't need 'every step' shown to tell the story.
Exactly. And in that particular scene, it was quite obvious that they had to go get dressed and transported. However, given the extremely fast pacing of STXI and the particular scenes I am questioning, there was no time for such deliberate time cuts. And I don't believe there were any. But that's just my opinion. For the most part, after watching the movie several times, I believe that these scenes took place in what was probably very close to real time.
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Old 01-25-2010, 10:33 AM
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Exactly. And in that particular scene, it was quite obvious that they had to go get dressed and transported. However, given the extremely fast pacing of STXI and the particular scenes I am questioning, there was no time for such deliberate time cuts. And I don't believe there were any. But that's just my opinion. For the most part, after watching the movie several times, I believe that these scenes took place in what was probably very close to real time.
If that's what you want to believe then fair enough - it ultimately makes no difference to me anyway.

My perspective is indeed informed by having had sufficient interest in the film as a piece of Star Trek to go into the film in a bit more depth and get a feel for the intent of the writers so we'll just have to add it to the long list of opposite perspectives on the film we have.

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Old 01-25-2010, 10:40 AM
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I am no big fan of the exterior and the interior designs of the new Enterprise, it leaves much to be desired for me. But let's ask the straightforward question, what are the running scenes (I remember three, Kirk, Uhura and Chekov) about? Superficially they fit the fast pace of the movie, on a second glance they are about people moving their butts to get the job done, people taking the initative.
Let's take the scene with Chekov. We learn something about the character, that he is self-confident and a bit eccentric, something about his skills and something about his efforts on the job, his will to excel. This is quite important in a movie which shows how and why the seven end up on their respective posts in the crew.
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Old 01-25-2010, 10:53 AM
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OMFG!!! Are you serious!!!!???? I've been living a lie!!!!!!!! Somebody shoot me now!!!! You mean Kirk isn't a real, honest to God, flesh and blood person?!?!?!? My life is officially meaningless now. Thank you very much mmoore. Boo frakkin hoo.
In other words, we get that you don't like the movie. If we didn't get it by now, we'd be insanely stupid.

What I don't get is why you insist on picking it apart over and over instead of ignoring it and getting on with your life. Such as it is.
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Old 01-25-2010, 11:01 AM
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In other words, we get that you don't like the movie. If we didn't get it by now, we'd be insanely stupid.

What I don't get is why you insist on picking it apart over and over instead of ignoring it and getting on with your life. Such as it is.
My life is absolutely fantastic! How's yours? Must not be that great if you have to derive your enjoyment out of making snide and insulting remarks about other people.

I enjoy nitpicking. It's fun. And this movie is just so chock full of stuff to pick apart, it's difficult to resist. Even though we have differences of opinions, others seem to be joining the discussion without the need for insults and sarcasm. If you have nothing meaningful to contribute to the conversation, I invite you to go elsewhere.

Also, you proceed from a false assumption. I've never once said that I didn't like the movie. In fact, on numerous occasions, I have made a point to say that I did indeed enjoy the movie very much. It was a good sci-fi movie. But a bad Star Trek movie. One of the reasons I pick at it like I do is not because it was a bad movie, but because it was poorly written and edited. The other reason is because I don't like what JJA and his writers have done to "my" Star Trek. But that's a whole different discussion. And everybody's heard it before. So I won't bore you.

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It's not nitpicking. I mean... did we ever see Spock getting a shave? Why don't you complain that he should have a beard since we never see him do that? Because we can be sure that he does, even if it's not on screen. If you show EVERY detail of just one hour in realtime, a movie is no longer a movie
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Old 01-25-2010, 05:03 PM
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One minute and 47 seconds (give or take) passes from when Spock gets on the turbolift on the iBridge until he gets to the transporter room. It takes Chekov less than 10 seconds to run out the iBridge door, down the corridor, and into the transporter room. Why couldn't Spock have used the door? It would have been a lot faster and he may have been able to save his mother. There's no guarantee that this scene takes place in real time, since there were a couple of cuts. But considering that Kirk and Sulu are freefalling, the time seems to be in real time, or else Kirk/Sulu would be greasy spots on the Vulcan surface before Chekov could get to them. Besides, even if there were "jump cuts", it wouldn't matter. Spock leaves the iBridge via turbolift 57 seconds before Chekov leaves through the door. Yet Spock arrives at the transporter almost 40 seconds after Chekov gets there on foot. Even with ambiguous jump cuts, something doesn't add up here.

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Chekov leaves the iBridge to the corridor outside.
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Turns a couple of corners and gets to the transporter room in less than 10 seconds. He goes down at least two corridors and passes several doors on his way to the transporter control room. This gives the impression that the iBridge deck is extremely large and includes the transporter room.

We can be reasonably certain that the door Chekov went out of led to the corridor because earlier we saw Kirk, Uhura, and Bones use that same door to enter the iBridge from the same corridor we see Chekov enter when he comes out the door.

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Also, in the Chekov running sequence, there are 2 jump cuts.
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