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Old 01-25-2010, 09:47 AM
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I think deck 6 is just a random number that they picked
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Old 01-25-2010, 09:50 AM
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Perhaps - given the Trek tradition of random consoles and areas blowing up when the ship gets attacked (i.e in TUC the saucer gets a hole blown in it and the room seen exploding into pieces is the dining room, which with it's wall of windows could not possibly be near the hole in the middle of the saucer!) then it's possible Puri just stood in the wrong place!
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Old 01-25-2010, 09:54 AM
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With all due respect I'd venture you won't find anything to counter your assumption based on the onscreen depciction because you're approaching it from a completely literal perspective when the writers have alluded on many times that things may not be as they appear to be.

It's not an approach a Trek film has had before, which is why some of it seems confusing.
You're probably right. However, what I am looking for is visual reference points between cuts. Such as when Kirk and McCoy leave sick bay, when the camera cuts to the corridor, do the visual elements such as details of the corridor as seen through the sick bay door match up with what was seen in the scene after the cut? Same with the rest. When the camera cuts, do the visual elements match up to confirm that the characters are indeed in the same corridor and not a different place after exiting a turbolift, etc. And of course I will post synopses including screenshots.

And of course, if I can get the visual evidence I seek, I'm sure that somebody will say that all the corridors look alike.

And...to be totally honest, I have never read any quotes from the writers to that effect. Besides, I really don't put much stock in what they say anyway. What I care about is what is on screen. I want to know, literally, what is happening on screen, as if I had never heard/read anything the writers had to say to explain it away. IMO, the movie should stand on its own and be easily understood without having to read the writers' explanations to put the peices together.

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Old 01-25-2010, 09:57 AM
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You're probably right. However, what I am looking for is visual reference points between cuts. Such as when Kirk and McCoy leave sick bay, when the camera cuts to the corridor, do the visual elements such as details of the corridor as seen through the sick bay door match up with what was seen in the scene before the cut? Same with the rest. When the camera cuts, do the visual elements match up to confirm that the characters are indeed in the same corridor and not a different place after exiting a turbolift, etc. And of course I will post synopses including screenshots.
Well - have fun I guess.

It's really nothing I'm losing sleep over anyway, it's pretty clear to me the entire movie didn't take play out on one deck - but knock yourself out, I suppose!

(of course, all the corridors on all the OTHER ships looked alike as well so..........)

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There's a simple answer.

It's not real. It's only a movie.
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There's a simple answer.

It's not real. It's only a movie.
OMFG!!! Are you serious!!!!???? I've been living a lie!!!!!!!! Somebody shoot me now!!!! You mean Kirk isn't a real, honest to God, flesh and blood person?!?!?!? My life is officially meaningless now. Thank you very much mmoore. Boo frakkin hoo.
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The Enterprise E transporter room must be in the turbolift. Picard and his team enter the turbolift and in the next scene, they beam down! So they never left the lift...
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Old 01-25-2010, 10:14 AM
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And...to be totally honest, I have never read any quotes from the writers to that effect. Besides, I really don't put much stock in what they say anyway. What I care about is what is on screen. I want to know, literally, what is happening on screen, as if I had never heard/read anything the writers had to say to explain it away. IMO, the movie should stand on its own and be easily understood without having to read the writers' explanations to put the peices together.
The biggest problem with that is that plenty of people did understand it just fine and the writers can take whatever approach they choose to when they get given the gig.

If they want to make a film with some deliberate ambiguity in it about just how things are unfolding, as opposed to a literal A-B-C style depiction then that's their right.

If it doesn't please everyone then so be it in my book.
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The Enterprise E transporter room must be in the turbolift. Picard and his team enter the turbolift and in the next scene, they beam down! So they never left the lift...
That is actually a pretty good point. In that particular scene, the pacing isn't nearly as fast as it is in STXI. A quick transporter room scene could have been added and it wouldn't have hurt the pacing at all. So if one took that scene in FC "literally", then they could very well have beamed straight down from the turbolift. However, if that were the case, then why didn't they just have the computer to re-dress them in 21st century civillian clothing and beam them straight from the bridge?
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Old 01-25-2010, 10:21 AM
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It would also have been redundant and added nothing significant - as with elements of the new film the audience is 'trusted' by the writers to follow there has been a time cut between the two in which they got costumed and went to the transporter room.

In a film, you don't need 'every step' shown to tell the story.
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