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Old 02-01-2010, 11:17 AM
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Indeed and it's pity that ENT didn't focus more on this period between the first warp flight and the first deep space mission in which humankind changed (don't immediately launch the ship but tell stories on Earth). That might have been more interesting than TNG 3.0. Quite some lost opportunities.
Ah, now that takes us into the question of can Star Trek not have a starship out on a mission and actually try a different format.

The evidence here is that fans don't like shows that don't have a ship around somewhere (even DS9 eventually had to bring one in to move the crew into space, despite trying a different approach in seasons 1 and 2).

While I would be delighted for a show that could successfully escape that typical Trek format, I have doubts it would work.

A show like the upcoming Caprica will be an interesting test of a sci-fi show basically set on an Earth like world not involving starships on exploratory missions.

It could be a barometer for the future.
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Old 02-01-2010, 11:34 AM
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All it needs to work is ingenuity and good stories....
The fans would fall in line with any good story.

That's the problem with SGU...
they tried a slightly different format with the worse characters and stories.
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How about a deeper story that is interesting but still have humour what do you think
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Old 02-07-2010, 06:44 AM
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They may do that - one thing I don't want them to lose is the humour (where appropriate) because it's a valuable part of the TOS spirit.

Several interviews with Abrams etc anyway have strongly indicated a desire to go deeper now that the setting up is out of the way. I'm actually wondering personally if the addition of Damon Lindelof as a co-writer may bring some of that, given he's been heavily involved in 'Lost' and seems to have gotten some acclaim as a writer on that series - which is quite a complex one as well.

In the long run - we'll see what comes out of it.
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They may do that - one thing I don't want them to lose is the humour (where appropriate) because it's a valuable part of the TOS spirit.

Several interviews with Abrams etc anyway have strongly indicated a desire to go deeper now that the setting up is out of the way. I'm actually wondering personally if the addition of Damon Lindelof as a co-writer may bring some of that, given he's been heavily involved in 'Lost' and seems to have gotten some acclaim as a writer on that series - which is quite a complex one as well.

In the long run - we'll see what comes out of it.
Yes we will. But deeper, hopefully.
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Yes we will. But deeper, hopefully.
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That's why the addition of Lindelof on writing duties (instead of just producing like he did the first) interests me - I don't really follow 'Lost' in great detail, but I know it's come to deal with some fairly interesting themes and concepts (while managing to stay entertaining) and I know he's been quite key to the development of that series since it began.

I'm quite interested to see what he brings to the screenplay in conjunction with Orci & Kurtzman.
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Ah, now that takes us into the question of can Star Trek not have a starship out on a mission and actually try a different format.

The evidence here is that fans don't like shows that don't have a ship around somewhere (even DS9 eventually had to bring one in to move the crew into space, despite trying a different approach in seasons 1 and 2).

While I would be delighted for a show that could successfully escape that typical Trek format, I have doubts it would work.

A show like the upcoming Caprica will be an interesting test of a sci-fi show basically set on an Earth like world not involving starships on exploratory missions.

It could be a barometer for the future.

Great point, Kevin...Then again, you always make great points!

Caprica is an interesting venture in the world of Sci-Fi. I wasn't going to give it a shot, but I said, "How can I down it if I don't at least watch the pilot?" I am now totally hooked! Great acting...Great writing--BRAVE writing, going where few shows (sci-fi or otherwise) dare to go: Yeah, I'm a sucker for all of that kinda stuff. I hope SyFy is patient and gives Caprica at least 3 seasons.
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I concur on all points.

I find the future war story interesting.
Matrix was an example of future war we had not considered.
Trek offers a unique look at our future with nuclear war that doesn't turn into Mad Max, Terminator, or the Post Man that are engrossed with the struggle and not resolving it.

Trek gives us the perception of rising from the ashes.
I've always been fascinated with the phoenix analogy.

That is one of the best ideas for Trek that I've heard. So many, MANY interesting stories--and the powerful implications as well. How did an organization called Terra Prime still come to be if Earth was supposed to be enlightened after the Cochran's Warp Flight? How could an origination called Section 31 come to be? Did they have roots that sprang from old prejudices that were a part of World War III? Who were the heroes of the conflict--those who fought along the side of peace? Who was it that brought the conflict to an armistice, if not a true peace?

Absolutely freakin' great story idea...One that could start a separate franchise (like VOY, TNG, and DS9). Kevin made a great point about some in Trekdom not being patient of a show that does not have a starship as the main focus. I agree, and we mentioned the show Caprica as an example. Heck, Ron Moore's Battlestar Galactica had epic battles and starships, but because they were not the dominate element of the show--the characters were, the show didn't get the ratings it deserved. Thank goodness SyFy stuck by the show and allowed the story to naturally unfold, and I hope they do the same for Caprica--a show that honestly surprised me.

In this day and age of fear, irrational rhetoric, and uncertainty, I think a story like this could serve as a tale of warning as well as a tale of hope as powerful--if not more so--as Battlestar Galactica. If I were a Hollywood producer, I'd be willing to take story and run with it.

Great idea, Saquist!
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