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Old 01-19-2010, 12:18 PM
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Personally, my feeling is that the Academy will split the two categories between Avatar and The Hurt Locker.

Either

Best Picture - The Hurt Locker and Best Director - James Cameron

or

Best Picture - Avatar and Best Director Kathryn Bigelow

Which should be fun for the former Mr and Mrs Cameron to win on the same night!
Very possible. Didn't Spielberg win Best Director for Saving Private Ryan and some other movie won Best Pic? I found that interesting at the time.
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Old 01-19-2010, 01:20 PM
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Very possible. Didn't Spielberg win Best Director for Saving Private Ryan and some other movie won Best Pic? I found that interesting at the time.
Yep - Shakespeare in Love.

Which is actually another case of, basically, a good solid movie for that genre - but Best Picture winner?

Ten years down the line, I don't think it warranted it but it was very popular and every now and again the Academy picks a lighter film to bestow the Award upon.

They did the same thing in 2005 with Ang Lee's Best Director for Brokeback Mountain and Crash taking Best Picture.

Thing is - though I've not seen it yet - The Hurt Locker has a lot of critical momentum running through it.

And the Academy could be willing to give out the award to the first ever woman recipient (sorry, but Sofia Coppolla had no chance in her year) of the award.

If they split it that way, they can break new ground and honour a praised but little seen film and celebrate a big old fashioned epic at the same time and in the same year!

Which is why I'll pick the following option -

Best Picture - Avatar

Best Director - Kathryn Bigelow for The Hurt Locker.

(Though I'll be very interested to see who wins the DGA award this year, and I'll probably be completely wrong! )
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Old 01-19-2010, 07:13 PM
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You can't wrap a good lesson in poor wrapping paper. Kinda diminishes the gift. Cameron offering something beautiful. Something to be appreciated.
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But Trek had no good values.
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I definitely wouldn't call the description gritty and drab that I used for those films as poor wrapping paper. It was merely a different pallete choice. Cameron absolutely offered something beautiful but I don't need every film to be something beautiful any more than I need every song to be a lilting ballad of love. Good lessons can come in all types of packages.

And in Star Trek George Kirk's willingness to make the ultimate sacrifice for love of his family and for honor and loyalty to duty and service. And Capt. Robau's similar sacrifice, both reminiscent of Spock seeing "The good of the many outweighing the good of the one." I think there're good values there. Sarek's admission of love for his wife. Good values. Uhura's affection for and support of Spock. More good values. Pike's guidence and mentorship of a talented and brilliant delinquent. Kirk's rising above that deliquency and taking a path to what will become greatness. Spock Prime's expressions of enduring friendship and the value of that friendship... I could go on but the fact of the matter is Star Trek '09 is full of good values and to say it is not is indicative of something other that an objective assessment of that film.
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Old 01-20-2010, 07:25 AM
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I definitely wouldn't call the description gritty and drab that I used for those films as poor wrapping paper. It was merely a different pallete choice. Cameron absolutely offered something beautiful but I don't need every film to be something beautiful any more than I need every song to be a lilting ballad of love. Good lessons can come in all types of packages.
Not all types, other wise it wouldn't be a good lesson.
Good is selective.

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And in Star Trek George Kirk's willingness to make the ultimate sacrifice for love of his family and for honor and loyalty to duty and service. And Capt. Robau's similar sacrifice, both reminiscent of Spock seeing "The good of the many outweighing the good of the one." I think there're good values there. Sarek's admission of love for his wife. Good values. Uhura's affection for and support of Spock. More good values. Pike's guidence and mentorship of a talented and brilliant delinquent. Kirk's rising above that deliquency and taking a path to what will become greatness. Spock Prime's expressions of enduring friendship and the value of that friendship... I could go on but the fact of the matter is Star Trek '09 is full of good values and to say it is not is indicative of something other that an objective assessment of that film.

See that's a good example.
The first part of Star Trek is a "Good Lesson" poorly wrapped.
It wasn't logical or realistic.
Instead of ordering them to beam over, they take a shuttle
Naval Tradition says that a Captain goes down with the ship
At best Naval Tradition says that the Captain never leaves the Bridge during a crisis.
The Villain's decisions here are questionable to even allowing the ship to colide with him.

The Captain doesn't come off as intelligent and neither does the enemy it's like a fairy tale with out the object lesson.

Bad wrapping....can't see the good here because of the glaring flaws.

If the objective is to save the crew why do you hand yourself over to the enemy and take no offensive action? That's not the purpose of MAN WITH RESPONSIBILITY.

If the objective is to protect the Federation why does the Captain Hand himself over to the enemy for interrogation. THAT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN. THAT IS NOT A LESSON IN RESPONSIBILITY.

bad wrapping....
you detect a possible good lesson but there wasn't one.
The Lesson here is...maybe we'll all get lucky with a dumb Bad Guy.
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Leaving the ship via shuttle was a condition of the cease fire. Had he declined, the Kelvin would have been destroyed before they had a chance to evacuate.
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Leaving the ship via shuttle was a condition of the cease fire. Had he declined, the Kelvin would have been destroyed before they had a chance to evacuate.
And Robau was in NO position to dictate terms or counter-proposals.
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Old 01-20-2010, 04:47 PM
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It doesn't matter.
The lives of the ship and crew are not as important as the Federation they were sworn to protect.

You do not surrender the ship.
You do not surrender the Captain.

The only reason why they did was so the story could move forward. It wasn't a real situation. If you can't figure out how to stall the enemy besides handing over your Captain....you die...
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It doesn't matter.
The lives of the ship and crew are not as important as the Federation they were sworn to protect.

You do not surrender the ship.
You do not surrender the Captain.

The only reason why they did was so the story could move forward. It wasn't a real situation. If you can't figure out how to stall the enemy besides handing over your Captain....you die...
Well, then they would all be dead.
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And Robau was in NO position to dictate terms or counter-proposals.
Actually Obi-Wan Robau could have easily killed Nero but he allowed Nero to kill him in order to become a force ghost. He just wanted to say "if you strike me down ..." but that damn Romulan messed up his line.
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Isn't this thread about Avatar??
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