[Pauln6]

Least credible for me is the science of supernovas. Energy tends to travel at the speed of light and since it wasn't the Romulan sun that exploded it should have taken months or years to reach the Romulan system. If the nova energy was travelling so fast that it could reach Romulas without giving them time to evacuate, then how did Spock get close enough to deploy the Red matter?

Also, assuming Spock cranked up his jellyfish to full warp, how far away from the Solar system could have got in such a short space of time and what would the gravitational effects of a nearby black hole have on the planets or the sun?

I still grumble at the way they play it fast and loose with warp speeds, time, distance, and tansporter range. This is TOS and I don't want the technology to be superior to TNG. As soon as the tech becomes more advanced you have to come up with complicated and convoluted reasons why it can't save the day unless you just ignore what you've done previously, which gets annoying for the fans.

[Captain Tom Coughlin]

I don't think the movie makes it clear whether or not the star is the Romulan sun.

[Pauln6]

I assumed not. If there was a risk of their own star going nova then the least credible part would be that they had sufficient time to recruit Spock to help but couldn't be bothered to evacuate anybody from thier planet?

[Captain Tom Coughlin]

Hard to say, they really don't tell us much about the circumstances of it in the movie. Most of the details people point to are in Countdown.

[NCC-73515]

Did Nero say "This is" or "This was"?

[Captain Tom Coughlin]

I'll double check this later, but I think his words are "In my time, where I come from, this is a simple mining vessel". It implies that his ship is rather ordinary where he came from.

[celticarchie]

Well, considering that all the books I used to read about space, and every documentary I've seen about blackholes, usually says that if you tried to fly into one the gravitational forces involved would literally tear your ship apart atom by atom.

So using blackholes as a time travel device kinda killed the movie dead in it's tracks for me.

That was before I found out about the impossible supernova that no one knows about until it's too late....aww man...

The least credible part of the movie...is the movie itself.

[Captain Tom Coughlin]

Voyager became V'ger in much the same way, a black hole transported it to some distant place. And given the speed in which it travels, Voyager couldn't have gotten very far, so it would have to be a black hole in our back yard, relatively speaking. So it's hardly anything new to the franchise.

[celticarchie]

Yeah, I never bought that either

Or that Romulan Warbirds used blackholes for power sources!!! What?!

Gee, you'd think matter/anti-matter reactors would be enough...but oooh no not for those Romulans.

You think they might be compensating for something...

[I-Am-Zim]

Originally Posted by Captain Tom Coughlin

Countdown was nice for what it was, but much like Nero and the Romulan empire it stands apart.

True. Most of the people (non-fans) who saw the movie probably have never heard of Countdown. Besides, the movie should be able to stand on its own without viewers needing to read a comic book series to fill in the blanks. In that case, according to the movie, the Narada had no cloak, no Borg tech, and Nero and his crew simply "waited" for 25 years for Spock to come back.

Originally Posted by NCC-73515

Did Nero say "This is" or "This was"?

He said this is.

Originally Posted by celticarchie

The least credible part of the movie...is the movie itself.

Couldn't agree more!