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Old 12-21-2009, 10:06 AM
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Default Politics in Old vs. New Star Wars

I realize this isn't a Star Wars forum, and maybe i'll go there to pose this question, but i also do realize we have Star Wars fans here, so i will go ahead and post this question. I was just thinking about how in the Old Star Wars trilogy the good guys were the rebels, or sepratists, and the bad guys were operatives for the Empire. In New Wars, the good guys are for the Republic, which we know becomes the Empire, and the bad guys are the sepratists, or rebels. So good and bad seems, at first, to be defined by political philosophy of government, but then, a role reversal takes place, so it cann't be this. The good are the Jedi, or those that adhere to the good side of the Force, and the bad those that are members of the Sith order, or who adhere to the dark side of the Force. So is Lucas completely a relativist when it comes to political commentary in Wars? More interested in looking to metaphysics for definitions of good vs. evil, and how an individual's actions move them closer to one side or the other? Or has Lucas role reversed himself? Changed his political outlook, and reflected that in his changed politics in the New Star Wars?
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Old 12-21-2009, 10:30 AM
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Well in the new trilogy the Emperor was pulling the strings on both sides of the war, so really he was running the whole show.
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Old 12-21-2009, 12:44 PM
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Like the old saying goes, "The king is dead; long live the king."

Everything is relative.
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Old 12-21-2009, 12:46 PM
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One is about the loss of democracy and the fall of Anakin, and one is about the fight against tyranny and the redemption of Anakin. So really, they mirror each other.
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Old 12-21-2009, 01:13 PM
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It quite simple.

"One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter."

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Old 12-21-2009, 01:38 PM
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I remember in an interview somewhere that Lucas wanted the politics in the prequel trilogy to be somewhat murky. During this time, the Old Republic was in decline and was bogged down in both corruption and burreaucracy.

The Seperatists represented a threat to the stability and security of the Old Republic in a way not too unlike how the Confederacy was a threat to the Union during the American Civil War. Ultimately, the Clone Wars was the Old Republic Civil War, although it really was just an insidious plot by the Sith to thin the Jedi ranks and set the stage for the rise of the Empire.

The Rebellion against the tyranny of the Empire that followed was a bit more clear cut and easier to follow, but that kind of sums up the entire original trilogy, IMO...
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Old 12-21-2009, 01:41 PM
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You could say that good vs. evil, the whole fantasy style was a lot bigger in the Old trilogy.
The new trilogy prefered to be like a futuristic tragedy.

But I don't think Lucas is very political anyway. Metaphysics, the characters and the special effects play a lot bigger role. Politics often isn't much more than their mere coulisse, without having the desire to comment on it.

However there is a nice political aspect in the New Trilogy:
In the end democracy wasn't beaten by an external threat/enemy, democracy betrayed itself, the people of the own democratic system abolished democracy and created a dictatorship by following the illusion and promise of an absolutely peaceful and secure society. The whole external threat only was used/created to bring imbalance into the freedom vs. security conflict.
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Old 12-21-2009, 02:39 PM
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As Papa Palptatine once said to young Anakin:

"Good is a point of view."

Contrast this with our own real-world.

Just focusing on Europe in WW II, Germany was the bad guys, Russia was the good guys (to the general world view, militarily and politically).

During the Cold War, East Germany and Russia (to the democratic world's P.O.V.) were the bad guys, while the U.S. and freedom loving nations of the world were good guys.
(militarily and politically)

In today's climate, Muslim terrorists are the bad guys, and almost everyone else is the good guy. (at least politically, and most militarily)

This is all a relative point of view. It's ideology.

Because to those whom we view(ed) as bad guys, in their own world view, what they are/were doing is righteous.

Same thing with old vs. new Star Wars. The military and political climates changed. Folks who may once have been allies are now enemies, or at least, adversaries. I could say that this was ideological concerns, but, as another poster pointed out, there was one man pulling the strings. (Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!)

Then again, that's pretty much what we have going on in the real-world....it's just a matter of figuring out who that someone (or group of someones) is. And when that happens....all hell's gonna break loose.
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Then again, that's pretty much what we have going on in the real-world....it's just a matter of figuring out who that someone (or group of someones) is. And when that happens....all hell's gonna break loose.
It's the Illuminati!
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It's the Illuminati!
Nnoooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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