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Old 11-29-2009, 06:45 AM
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There's no luxury to work them out fully.
Unless you are Shakespeare, of course.
Or at least Schiller. I thought Franz Mohr was a really cool badass.
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Old 11-29-2009, 06:54 AM
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Unless you are Shakespeare, of course.
Or at least Schiller. I thought Franz Mohr was a really cool badass.
Even Shakespeare had his off plays along the way.
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I don't think Kirk's statement was a slip of the tongue, without that statement at the start his dialogue at the end about having his faith etc restored would mean nothing.

It's not a brilliantly done redemption because it's not really established quite what Gorkon's daughter actually really did do to accomplish this turnabout in Kirk, which was based mainly on David's murder in TSFS. One would think it was more Gorkon himself but Kirk thanks the daughter.

But then it comes back to the fact that the films have a very limited amount of time to get their point across. So we have a simple and easy to digest line at the start and an equally simple line at the end that clearly state the supposed journey of Kirk through the film.

If one buys the bits in the middle that are supposed to illustrate that - that's individual choice.
Due to Shatner's request, they shot the scene with an expression of surprise by Kirk such that it looked like a slip of the tongue, but that part didn't survive the editing. Smart decision in my opinion, I liked to see a Kirk that seriously erred in both Meyer movies.
His 'moment of enlightment' on Rura Penthe was indeed a bit short, but it is kind of straightforward that a person begins to ponder when he or she has nothing but manual work to do. And Stewart had to convey his 'moment of enlightment' with just a facial expression in First Contact. Albeit short, it worked (both times) for me.
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Well, Khan did have some past screen time in "Space Seed", even though that was the only advantage he had on-screen before Star Trek II. But yes, it's still not enough.
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To the original question:

Firstly, if Dukat had been purely evil, then he would not have been an interesting character. As he is an interesting character, he cannot have been purely evil.

Often the best villains are those who either act out of some kind of sympathetic motive, or at the very least convince themselves that they are somehow acting for good.

Some of his more interesting scenes are when he was not entirely being a villain. --of course he had some good MFWAHAHA stuff as well but he was not as simple as a purely evil man.
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Dukat is meant to be on a television show. The reason why he wouldn't be a good choice in film, is because two hours wouldn't be enough time to explore the character. I loved how we had a good seven years of seeing him. There is much complexity to him and yes, I would have to agree that he is my favorite Star Trek villain...much to the fact that he is so mysterious and we don't know what he truly wants...until it's too late.
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Dukat is meant to be on a television show. The reason why he wouldn't be a good choice in film, is because two hours wouldn't be enough time to explore the character.
Do you guys agree?
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Do you guys agree?

I do, the reason he works so well is that they devoted the time to develop the character and give him depth.
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I agree… Dukat is a "yes" man until something better opportunity presents itself…
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