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Old 11-21-2009, 12:06 PM
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Old 11-21-2009, 12:35 PM
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I think you correct in your observation that Orci-Kurtzman-Abrams trio were not on the whole good students of Trek.
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Old 11-21-2009, 12:50 PM
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I respectfully disagree - you simply can't go around changing things in the manner in which they did and drop in the many, many major and minor references that they did while retaining many core elements of the series without understanding the subject in the first place.

Of course their screenplay is not perfect in and of itself - but that's another matter entirely.
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Old 11-21-2009, 01:10 PM
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I agree with kevin. Even so-called canon Star Trek contradicts itself in many places. To satisfy canon completely is impossible and should not be attempted. In many ways the writers were respectful to the original feel of the series, without being too stressed about it. After all, the most important thing is that it's entertaining.

I must say though, the writers disappointed me in one sense. I actually think they should have learned some basic physics. Not complicated physics, because like I said it's only entertainment, just basic physics. A supernova cannot 'threaten the whole galaxy'. Why not simply write the story so that it was the Romulan sun which went supernova? After all, that is what the special effects shot in the mind meld seemed to show. Such disastrously wrong understanding of physics risks alienating even non experts, because you don't have to be a physicist to know that a supernova is a little blip of light in an entire galaxy.

I actually loved the movie, which must say a lot about its quality. There are a few irritating things, such as the spock/uhura thing, enterprise built on the ground, uniforms which look like pyjamas, klingon "warbirds" etc, but the acting was very good, the story was reasonable, the musical score was better than most are suggesting, and the special effects were spectacular.
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Old 11-21-2009, 01:54 PM
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I do think that they should have studied TOS a bit more. If they had, then the movie might have felt more like Star Trek and not just a generic action/adventure/sci-fi summer popcorn flick that was called "Star Trek". That's how it felt to me, of course. I know there are others who seem to think it was pure "Trek". I'm not one of them. I definitely agree with Dr. Lazarus about the supernova thing. That was pure sillyness and written with complete lack of understanding of physics at all. The one other technical thing that irritated me was the "transwarp transporter". That was simply rediculous and made no sense. If they can do that, why would they need starships? Anyway, it wasn't "My" Star Trek, and never will be. It's Star Trek for the popcorn crowd. Simple as that.
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For all the silly feuding between "canonites" and "revisionites," the one thing about Star Trek XI was that the writers (or at least Orci) did study Trek lore--and then some. The establishment of Kirk being born in 2333 was from extrapolating his age from TOS; Kirk being born in Iowa from Star Trek IV; Spock's parents came from TOS, the TOS movies, and TNG; Kirk beating the Kobyashi Maru test from Star Trek II; the idea that Spock was bullied as a child was from TOS; Christoher Pike as Kirk's predecessor on the Enterprise, etc. The idea that Kirk's father was also a Starfleet officer came from a novel, not from from any onscreen reference.

They did their homework all right.

Changes from established lore were mostly intentional for the most part to establish how different this alternate universe was to the prime universe, IMO...
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Cardassian Sunrise, Porthos, Rura Penthe, Klingons, Romulans, Vulcans, Orions ... it sometimes felt like a poor copy-and-paste job or shall I say cherry-picking?
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I feel that a sound job was done overall. Minor discrepancies - Klingon warbirds, for instance - are fairly insignificant overall, and can be explained away by simple conjecture. In the case of 'warbirds', we can just assume that this is what those ships were called in that day.

The supernova plot device works fine if you assume it's just a supernova unlike anything ever seen. A logical assumption, since it works unlike any supernova ever seen. In a sci-fi universe wherein an over-mined moon can blow up, destroying a planet's ecosystem and having effects felt light-years away. The film's use of a supernova that becomes more powerful as it expands is not too outlandish by sci-fi standards; it's not like it'd need to actually consume the entire galaxy in order to destroy it, either: removing enough mass from one portion of the galaxy could destabalise it in the long term, or the rise in radiation could threaten life over a large area.

It could've been easily dealt with by a simple throwaway line in the film, of course; but my point is that the lack of an on-screen explanation doesn't mean it's a mere error. After all, the known supernovae most definitely don't threaten galaxies; the film's deviation from this is clearly intentional because it runs against conventional knowledge. The logical conclusion? The film's supernova is something unique.
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The one other technical thing that irritated me was the "transwarp transporter". That was simply rediculous and made no sense. If they can do that, why would they need starships?
This one makes sense if you follow the dialogue: transporting that way is limited, inaccurate, and rather dangerous. There's a lot that can go wrong, especially "without a proper receiving pad" as Scotty notes. Pretty useless for interstellar travel as the range and precision are so clearly limited, and because it seems to be a one-way process.
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