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Old 11-21-2009, 07:50 PM
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I think that Kirk would be all Command, from Pike's speech and Kirk's desire to get there quickly, 3 years. What happened to the additional 4-5 year training?
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Old 11-21-2009, 08:08 PM
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I think that Kirk would be all Command, from Pike's speech and Kirk's desire to get there quickly, 3 years. What happened to the additional 4-5 year training?
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I think that Kirk would be all Command, from Pike's speech and Kirk's desire to get there quickly, 3 years. What happened to the additional 4-5 year training?
The thing is just being an officer on a ship puts in on a command track to varying extent, the exceptions being highly specialized officers like medical officers. Officers are the service equivalent of managers. Whether you are on the fast track to command or not depends on how well you outshine the other officers, not to mention whether or not many other officers get killed off.
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Old 11-22-2009, 02:43 AM
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Good to know. Very interesting. Thanks!
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The thing is just being an officer on a ship puts in on a command track to varying extent, the exceptions being highly specialized officers like medical officers.
Even then, we know Crusher became the captain of the Pasteur in "All Good Things".
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Remember the PC game Starfleet Academy? You commanded a ship in the simulator and when you finished the game... you ended up as a conn officer.
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Old 11-22-2009, 08:57 AM
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Even then, we know Crusher became the captain of the Pasteur in "All Good Things".
Didn't McCoy take command of the Enterprise once in TOS as well? Vague memory coming through.
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Didn't McCoy take command of the Enterprise once in TOS as well? Vague memory coming through.
I dont remember that one either. Nothing rings a bell.
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Didn't McCoy take command of the Enterprise once in TOS as well? Vague memory coming through.
I dont remember that one either. Nothing rings a bell.
Perhaps it was in "The Menagerie?" Spock surrendered himself to McCoy as the next highest-ranking officer, but had a command division lieutenant take operational command because McCoy was a doctor, not a command officer.

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SPOCK: This is the First Officer speaking. Security, send an armed team to the Bridge. Transporter Room, stand by to beam Captain Kirk aboard. Effective until then, Lieutenant Hansen is in operational command.
HANSEN: Sir?
SPOCK: First Officer out. Doctor, as senior officer present, I present myself to you for arrest.
MCCOY: You what?
SPOCK: The charge is mutiny, Doctor. I never received orders to take command.
SECURITY: Security reporting, Mister Spock.
SPOCK: Doctor.
MCCOY: Mister Spock is, er, under arrest. Is confinement to quarters enough?
SPOCK: Adequate, Doctor. I'll make no trouble.
MCCOY: Well, confine him.
SECURITY: Yes, sir.
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Even then, we know Crusher became the captain of the Pasteur in "All Good Things".
True, but Crusher did something that most highly specialized officers do not appear to normally do, which is get the Star Fleet equivalent of a deck qualification, specifically the Bridge Officer's Test which we eventually see Troi take.

This is, however, not inconsistent in theory. It maybe like the equivalent of becoming a carrier captain today. All aircraft carrier captains in the present day navy are required to have been naval aviators. The problem is that naval aviators are not deck qualified the way most officers from the rank of ensign all the way to admiral are in the surface warfare community, this means that they have not gained any certification to conn a ship and therefore do not stand watches on the bridge. So when a navy pilot wishes to get on track to command a carrier, they must first go back to nuclear power school and they must go back and get deck qualified. They then go on to serving as an XO and eventually CO of a large ship (such as an oiler) before going on to command a carrier. Basically aviators aspiring to command a carrier must go through what other surface warfare officers go through, it's just that they do so much later in their careers.
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