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Old 11-14-2009, 04:05 AM
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Default Which Prequel do You Prefer?

Both Star Trek Movie and the pilot for ENTERPRISE were different approaches to the same problem. Both were attempts to return Star Trek to its root origins. One attempts to do this directly by telling an origin story for the NCC-1701Enterprise crew with new actors interpreting the roles in an Alternate Universe. The other goes back earlier to tell the story of the founding of the Federation by focussing on the crew the first Starship named "Enterprise" and its crew. Both Star Trek Movie and the pilot for ENTERPRISE draw their inspiration from TOS of Star Trek, as opposed to the TNG universe. Both also appear to be willing to violate Star Trek canon to some degree, one does so by ignoring it and placing all events in an alternate reality, the other by creating a temporal "Cold War" where future factions of time travelers are battling it out in the past, changing pre-established Trek history. Which approach do you prefer and why? Let me just say I know there are some who even will disagree with the basic premise of this post, noted.
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Old 11-14-2009, 05:55 AM
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That's an easy one, Enterprise for me.

I'm so shocked....lol....

(kidding)
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I liked Enterprise for the most part, sometimes it's tougher to go retro so I always kept that in mind when they'd trip up on something. But given the amount of established material they had to work with I never thought it was a well thought out series. I'll not drag the B&B creative team through the dirt again but by the time of Enterprise their creativity was pretty low. At least with the alternate route the prime stuff is left untouched. I think most peoples gripes are really based on the fact that "their" Star Trek is most likely gone, at least from the mainstream. I guess change isn't always good but then to some degree that's what a lot of us old school fans have been going through for a long time. It's been pretty infuriating several times in the past to have something accepted as canon for twenty or more years suddenly come undone because someone thought they had a better idea for this weeks episode of DS9 or Enterprise etc.
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Old 11-14-2009, 09:38 AM
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I liked Enterprise for the most part, sometimes it's tougher to go retro so I always kept that in mind when they'd trip up on something. But given the amount of established material they had to work with I never thought it was a well thought out series. I'll not drag the B&B creative team through the dirt again but by the time of Enterprise their creativity was pretty low. At least with the alternate route the prime stuff is left untouched. I think most peoples gripes are really based on the fact that "their" Star Trek is most likely gone, at least from the mainstream. I guess change isn't always good but then to some degree that's what a lot of us old school fans have been going through for a long time. It's been pretty infuriating several times in the past to have something accepted as canon for twenty or more years suddenly come undone because someone thought they had a better idea for this weeks episode of DS9 or Enterprise etc.
But when these discussions keep coming up, everybody seem to forget the numerous inconsistancies/contradictions in TOS, not that it makes the show bad.
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Old 11-14-2009, 12:39 PM
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I prefer the clean slate myself.

ENT was a mediocre prequel and the TCW was a gimmick that never worked for me at all. I think it was finally getting somewhere interesting once they abandoned it but since it was too late it didn't matter.

That said, the basic idea of doing a prequel series to TOS etc was in and of itself fine - it just needed to be better planned than early ENT.
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My favorite prequel was "Where No Man Has Gone Before."

That doesn't mean that I can't enjoy ENT and Star Trek XI as standalone works, but as TOS prequels, it's gotta be its second pilot episode for me.
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How is "Where no Man has Gone Before" a TOS prequel? It is TOS!
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I'm being half sarcastic, but "Where No Man Has Gone Before" can definitely be looked at as a prequel of sorts in the sense that we saw an earlier crew with earlier uniforms and equipment than what we saw in the rest of the series. Even the Enterprise herself was slightly different in that episode (she had a different bridge dome, deflector dish, and nacelle caps). And depending on what chronology you subscribe to, this episode can easily take place anywhere from a month to a year before the 5-year mission begins.
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That doesn't mean that I can't enjoy ENT and Star Trek XI as standalone works, but as TOS prequels, it's gotta be its second pilot episode for me.
I'm not sure you can class STXI as a prequel, simply because it is not a prequel to TOS. It doesn't tell the story behind what happened before TOS. It tells the story of what happens before STXII
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