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Old 11-11-2009, 09:29 AM
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Default Starfleet - dominated by humans or segregated fleets?

We all know the real-world reason for the predominantly human characters in Starfleet, so let's take a look upon it from a in-universe perspective.

Is Starfleet kind of a "homosapiens only club" (to pick up Azetbur's remark), after all the name of the organization is adapted from 'Earth Starfleet', the HQ is located on Earth and the Federation president seems to have his, her or its office also there ... or is each ship fine-tuned to the demands of one species (atmosphere and gravity) like in the case of the Intrepid?
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Old 11-11-2009, 09:39 AM
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I would assume that since humanity was the major founding member of the Federation, it would be "well represented."

Since most of Trek has centered (with a few exceptions) on bipeds who breathe Class M atmospheres. I can see where a Klingon would think a Bajoran and a Human look alike, for example.

I would assume that there are races that require special suits, or working conditions, on any vessel they qualify for.

I could see the need in the 22-23rd cetnuries for more specialized groupings of races due to atmosphere/gravity needs.

I would assume by the 24th century the medicine or engineering arms of Starfleet/Federation would have specialized suits, or special ways of having officers compatable with their enviroments.
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Old 11-11-2009, 10:04 AM
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Excellent points.

I think there may be specialised ships that could perhaps be crewed specifically by some races depending on, say, environmental conditions required etc

But I think that we also only ever saw a fraction of the range of races and physical types onscreen over the years and that there were probably many, many ships with diverse crews.
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Old 11-11-2009, 10:05 AM
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Excellent points.

I think there may be specialised ships that could perhaps be crewed specifically by some races depending on, say, environmental conditions required etc

But I think that we also only ever saw a fraction of the range of races and physical types onscreen over the years and that there were probably many, many ships with diverse crews.
Some good points.
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Old 11-11-2009, 10:13 AM
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I would assume that there are races that require special suits, or working conditions, on any vessel they qualify for.
Makes you wonder how much other species are accommodated on starships, am guessing that gravity/air composition/lighting/temperature etc were all tailored to human standards. We know that individual quarters could be tailored for certain needs (low gravity seen in DS9 and mentions of modifications in TNG for visiting delegates etc), but what about exceptionally tall aliens or even on a more simple level how about somebody who couldn't walk, we saw plenty of ladders and jeffries tubes... Makes you wonder.

Thinking about the original question, in 'Take me out to the holosuite' the Vulcan captain said he had all Vulcan officers, would that be considered racist/segregating or perhaps his ship was tailored for Vulcan physiology.
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Another thing to consider is the possibility that some of the Humans we see walking the corridors on various ships may not actually be from Earth. Trek has definitely shown a number of species that are physically indistinguishable from Humans (such as Betazoids, El-Aurians, and Deltans), which may support the idea first suggested in TOS that Humans are actually very common life-forms in the Star Trek Universe and that the term "Terran" is used to specifically describe Humans of Earth origin or ancestry.

Originally, it was believed that "Zefram Cochrane of Alpha Centauri" was not from Earth--and nor had any ancestors from Earth--but this was later retconned in First Contact (but how many Humans do you know are born with a first name of "Zefram"?)
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Possibly, the USS Intrepid in TOS was also all Vulcan so perhaps they do have some ships designed for them for some reason.
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Starfleet belongs to Earth. Other planets have their own fleets, I guess...
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Since most of Trek has centered (with a few exceptions) on bipeds...
This is a little off the subject but I think that's why Abrams put Big Red in the movie. There's been a lot of talk about how the whole scene was pointless but I think it was an "in your face" moment. Star Trek is no longer limited to bipeds.
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This is a little off the subject but I think that's why Abrams put Big Red in the movie. There's been a lot of talk about how the whole scene was pointless but I think it was an "in your face" moment. Star Trek is no longer limited to bipeds.
I actually tend to agree with that.

Budgetarily, Trek was very limited in showing a true variety of alien life-forms. Yet this is despite a universe that (in dialogue) was referred to as teeming with alien forms of life.

So, I think that is a little thing that Abrams did indeed, to start showing some of the kinds of things hinted at, but which could not be afforded first time around.

Variety.
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