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Old 01-13-2010, 02:21 PM
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Ah, but then there's also the following:

- The ship was recorded as having appeared from a "Lightning Storm In Space".
- The ship, according to Kirk, was on the edge of Klingon space, and never seen nor heard from again.
- The ships was reported to have destroyed 47 Klingon ships 25 years later at the Prison Planet.
- Vulcan reported a "Lightning Storm In Space".
- Nero tells Ayel that they wait as they have for the last 25 years for "the one who allowed our home to be destroyed".

It's the combination that establishes the history, even if indirectly.
I think you are connecting the dots in a way that the average movie goer could never do, because you know about the deleted Klingon storyline and that influences your idea of what the "picture" should look like when the dots are connected. The average guy that saw the film in May did not know of those scenes, and would not draw these same conclusions. And he's not meant to, that is why the storyline was cut. We don't know what Nero was doing.
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The second lightning storm in space was Spock
Sorry, you're right. It was a clue for Kirk though.
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I think you are connecting the dots in a way that the average movie goer could never do, because you know about the deleted Klingon storyline. The average guy that saw the film in May did not.
You're probably right.

It's not really important though, when you consider that they were waiting for Spock.
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You're probably right.

It's not really important though, when you consider that they were waiting for Spock.
I agree
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Personally, I would like to have seen a couple of the deleted scenes added back in:

- The scene with Kirk, George Jr., and uncle Frank to establish why he stole the car.
- The Prison Break scene (though not the Capture scene) to clarify where Nero was for 25 years.
- The way Kirk cheated (though I'm in two minds about it as it introduces problems when one considers that Starfleet would likely not allow personal messages on those systems, and the issue of Starfleet firewalls could be raised, not to mention that Kirk should not be a Jerk at this stage by using Gaila in that way).
- Kirk apologizing to Gaila about using her (if the previous scene is included), as it establishes Kirk as maturing, and provides some redemption of sorts in a humerous way.
- The lines where Spock addresses the coincidences and unbelievable luck in the cave after the mind meld.

However, I can see why they were cut.
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I agree about the Kirk brothers scene with the Uncle and the Spock lines about the coincidences. Not a big fan of the Klingon stuff, I liked the deleted scenes that I saw, but I think that storyline wise they raise more questions then they answer.
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Saquist, I found the information on the Fate hypothesis:
http://trekweb.com/articles/2009/09/...and-Nero.shtml

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Did you ever consider a complete reboot?

RO:
No, not for a second. That's why one of the first ideas we had was that Leonard Nimoy had to somehow be the catalyst for our story. Everything stemmed from that idea for us.

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It's funny you ask about time travel and the idea that time sorts itself out. There was a line that we had written that was shot which ended up getting cut from the movie. Watching it the other day, I wish we'd kept. When Kirk and Spock Prime are in the cave and Spock's telling him everything, there's a mention by Kirk of "How is it that I found you in this cave in the middle of an ice planet? It's insane that we should ever even meet this way." Spock says, "Perhaps it's the timestream's way of trying to mend itself. It is fate and destiny trying to bring us together."

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We're using the rules of quantum mechanics for time travel on this one, as opposed to the classical Einsteinian rules of relativity. One of the subsets of that theory is that there are multiple universes and that the things that are most probable to happen, happen most often in more universes... So there's more universes out there where Kirk and Spock get together and hang out than not, just because that's what quantum mechanics would say. We were very much playing as much as we could with the latest theories, and trying to tie those into a real sense of destiny. The movie does rely, to some extent for the fans, on a real knowledge of the fact that everyone is going to end up in their proper place.

So you're saying one...line makes it all okay?
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So you're saying one...line makes it all okay?
One line in the movie certainly altered my intended path for my own story.
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So you're saying one...line makes it all okay?
I'm saying one line provides a reason.
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So you're saying one...line makes it all okay?
How does that one line, as described, affect your assessment of the story?
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