[Commodore]

Originally Posted by Saquist

That was a typo.

Correction.
I'm NOT accusing George Lucas of Plagiarism. I accuse Lucas of Basic Creativity. At his time he was an illusionist. He made something uncreative appear new.

Which pretty much puts Lucas in the same boat as nearly all Hollywood film makers by that definition, so you will also have to accuse essentially everyone of "Basic Creativity" too.

Truthfully, though, Lucas simply wanted to tell a story that contained a lot of the stuff that he liked as a kid. Anything else is just what other people have made out of it (and usually blown out of proportion by both admirers and detractors).

[martok2112]

Originally Posted by Commodore

Which pretty much puts Lucas in the same boat as nearly all Hollywood film makers by that definition, so you will also have to accuse essentially everyone of "Basic Creativity" too.

Truthfully, though, Lucas simply wanted to tell a story that contained a lot of the stuff that he liked as a kid. Anything else is just what other people have made out of it (and usually blown out of proportion by both admirers and detractors).

Eloquent. Most eloquent.

[martok2112]

Originally Posted by celticarchie

!!!!HAPPY CHRISTMAS EVERYBODY!!!!

(And/or any winter solstice feast/festival you might be celebrating, and if your not, have fun anyway! Gee, any ol' excuse to eat plenty of food, specially chocolate, drink and be merry/happy).

Or as I like to say:

Merry Happy Kwazi ChristmaHannuFestivuKwanzaakus!

(sorry, celticarchie....had to remove a couple of smileys from your quote so I could get a smiley in on my msg.)

[kevin]

Originally Posted by Saquist

It leads me to question that these last three were more about...ego than the completion of a dream.

Well, let's not ignore the millions of Star Wars fans who spent 15 years clamouring for another trilogy.

If there hadn't been a basic demand and market for another trilogy he would have had no reason to make them.

Also, if it were ego and nothing else he had no reason to wait so long to produce them. He had the money and the time to make them whenever he wanted to do them.

Originally Posted by Commodore

Which pretty much puts Lucas in the same boat as nearly all Hollywood film makers by that definition, so you will also have to accuse essentially everyone of "Basic Creativity" too.

Truthfully, though, Lucas simply wanted to tell a story that contained a lot of the stuff that he liked as a kid. Anything else is just what other people have made out of it (and usually blown out of proportion by both admirers and detractors).

Precisely.

One might as well accuse James Cameron of lacking basic creativity because Avatar at it's core is very close to 'Dances with Wolves' in it's basic themes and storytelling.

Gene Roddenberry lacked basic creativity when he recycled an old TOS script for a $40 million dollar studio production with TMP.

There are dozens if not hundreds of more examples but as you have correctly pointed out it's because a lot of them have certain basic universal themes running through them that have appeared in various literature and film guises over time.

Some people can execute them better than others, granted, but often the underlying themes are pretty tried and tested.

[martok2112]

Originally Posted by kevin

Well, let's not ignore the millions of Star Wars fans who spent 15 years clamouring for another trilogy.

If there hadn't been a basic demand and market for another trilogy he would have had no reason to make them.

Also, if it were ego and nothing else he had no reason to wait so long to produce them. He had the money and the time to make them whenever he wanted to do them.



Precisely.

One might as well accuse James Cameron of lacking basic creativity because Avatar at it's core is very close to 'Dances with Wolves' in it's basic themes and storytelling.

Gene Roddenberry lacked basic creativity when he recycled an old TOS script for a $40 million dollar studio production with TMP.

There are dozens if not hundreds of more examples but as you have correctly pointed out it's because a lot of them have certain basic universal themes running through them that have appeared in various literature and film guises over time.

Some people can execute them better than others, granted, but often the underlying themes are pretty tried and tested.

Also very well told.

[celticarchie]

Originally Posted by martok2112

Or as I like to say:

Merry Happy Kwazi ChristmaHannuFestivuKwanzaakus!

(sorry, celticarchie....had to remove a couple of smileys from your quote so I could get a smiley in on my msg.)

Not a problem martok. Stupid only 4 smilie rule, it's amazing we can post anything...

[Samuel]

Originally Posted by kevin

Well, let's not ignore the millions of Star Wars fans who spent 15 years clamouring for another trilogy.

If there hadn't been a basic demand and market for another trilogy he would have had no reason to make them.

Also, if it were ego and nothing else he had no reason to wait so long to produce them. He had the money and the time to make them whenever he wanted to do them.

One of his stated reasons was that sfx wasnt yet good enough for what he wanted to do. I tend to believe this by simply looking at the end product of TPM and all the time and money spent on digital effects. One of the same reasons Avatar wasnt made years ago.

[kevin]

Originally Posted by Samuel

One of his stated reasons was that sfx wasnt yet good enough for what he wanted to do. I tend to believe this by simply looking at the end product of TPM and all the time and money spent on digital effects. One of the same reasons Avatar wasnt made years ago.

Yep, that's one of his stated reasons for the delay.

I tend to generally believe it also, as there are a lot of films that have been made since CGI got advanced enough to pretty much do anything at all that could simply never have been done justice even using the best of existing techniques.

Avatar being another example. Now, I love that film to bits and am going to see it a few more times before it leaves the cinema. But it doesn't change the fact that he clearly didn't spend those 15 years working on the dialogue or characterisation (of the human characters at least!).

It was developing the tech to do it the way he envisaged it.

[celticarchie]

Sorry folks, but it kinda had to be done...hehehe!

See how well it works JJ, lensflare and all!

[kevin]

Yes, I'm sure he's cut to the bone by that.