[BlackBox]

the entire B&B era was just a fantasy or an alternate universe. the only true canon is TOS some of TNG and Shatnerverse

[The Saint]

Sometimes having good writer's instincts is fun; counterbalances the times when it really, really sucks. And good call with the Kodos angle. While we can't anticipate all the changes that may be thrown in on a reboot, of course, we can draw stories from points in the original canon and speculate that a young Kirk might not have initially had any interest in joining the service that kept his father away for most of his childhood. It was not a desire to follow in his father's footsteps that led him back to Earth and Starfleet, but the atrocities of Kodos and a sudden, strong drive to make of himself a man who could protect people from maniacs like Kodos. While that wouldn't make sense as a primary motivation, it would certainly add a good, contrasting undercurrent to curiosity and a natural desire for learning and exploration -- or, alternately, it could serve as an original motive which the latter came to overshadow as he took in the whole new realm of possibilities Starfleet offered.

[The Saint]

Originally Posted by BlackBox

the entire B&B era was just a fantasy or an alternate universe. the only true canon is TOS some of TNG and Shatnerverse

Well, I've been accused of bashing Enterprise, so I'll throw a shocker your way -- if you look at Enterprise as its own show, an 'alternate version' of Star Trek's universe, it's actually fairly good. I've said on occasion that I consider it 'related to Star Trek'. The characters were mix'n'match ripoffs of previous Trek characters, most glaringly T'Pol basically was 7 of 9 in Spock's place in the 'Big 3' dynamic, with Archer as Kirk and Tucker as McCoy. Phlox was Neelix, Sato was Harry Kim. The only really original characters were Mayweather, who had so little to do it was painful, and Reed, whose sole function other than getting in fights with red-shirts was to drool over T'Pol until Tucker got her.

But as I said, if you mentally isolate Enterprise from the rest of Trek and don't expect that Vulcans will act like Trek's Vulcans, don't expect that ships won't be covered in glowing grilles and spotlights, don't expect that the Borg are supposed to be introduced to humans for the very first time by Q about 200 years down the road -- just take it as its own thing with no connection to Star Trek -- it's actually fairly decent, rather than a cheap remix.

[The Saint]

Originally Posted by Zardoz

Then don't use B&B as a measure (if they make you unhappy) for JJ and Ocri.

Damn them for their own mistakes, not ones you feel were caused by others.

Using your own anaology, after rat burges at McD' and BK, you go to Jack In The Box, but thier "special meat" is ground prime beef. But you have allready decided from you experinces at McD' and BK that Jack In The Box is surely lying, so you won't even try.

Is there a compelling to gamble my hard earned cash on a repeating pattern?

[Zardoz]

Originally Posted by The Saint

Is there a compelling to gamble my hard earned cash on a repeating pattern?

Saint, if 8 bucks makes or breaks your budget, I think you have bigger concerns.

[Oregon_Coast_Trekkie]

Ok, all this insulting in here has gotten ridiculous.

No argument in here is based on any logic at all. They are based purely on what one emotionally connects to. There is nothing to aruge that shows superiority of intellect (I'm laughing at your superior intellect). It is all simply a matter of opinion

Let's just face facts: This Star Trek is going to be different than the one you watched when you were 10. Just because some might not be able to handle that doesn't mean they should go around and insult others who can, and claim they don't "get" Star Trek. There's talk of how this movie has to deliver: To reach the largest audience possible, there need to be some tweaks to the formula. And if you decide not to like it because it reaches a wide audience, well, sorry, that is a little sociopathic.

Another fact: Star Trek is simply a work of fiction; nothing more, nothing less. It happens to be fiction which I enjoy viewing. But it doesn't give my life any more or any less meaning. Once the shows or movies are over, I'm back in the real world, concentrating on my real life and my real work. (The only reason my work may suffer after the premiere of the movie is because I'll be groggy from going to the midnight showing.)

And like it or not, the only reason we have this movie being made to begin with is because George Lucas released Star WARS 31 years ago. The movies reenergized the franchise, which promted TNG, which then spawned the other 3 spinoffs. Had it not been for Star Wars, Star Trek's syndicated rerun showing probably would have ended years ago.

[The Saint]

Originally Posted by Zardoz

Saint, if 8 bucks makes or breaks your budget, I think you have bigger concerns.

It doesn't, of course; that doesn't mean i'm in the habit of throwing money away, either.

And Oregon, nobody's been directly insulting to another poster in here until just now when you implied that people who want Star Trek to go largely unaltered are somehow mentally unstable. That was uncalled for.