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Old 08-20-2008, 08:26 PM
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There was a lot of "time travel" discussion on a Harry Potter board I was on (due to Hermione having a "time turner" so she could take more classes that were in the same timeslot) and the two basic theories of time travel were refered to as "The Back to the Future" model and the "Bill and Ted" model. Bill and Ted obviously, it all just works because it was supposed to work. Back to the Future: if you step out of the timeline, you create a distinct and different, alternate timeline.

To me, the Back to the Future model makes the most sense.

While Star Trek dialogue frequently suggests that BTTF is the way it works, in action, they have often embraced Bill and Ted. In Assignment: Earth we get this:

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SEVEN: And in spite of the accidental interference with history by the Earth ship from the future, the mission was completed.

SPOCK: Correction, Mister Seven. It appears we did not interfere. The Enterprise was part of what was supposed to happen on this day in 1968.

KIRK: Our record tapes show, although not generally revealed, that on this date, a malfunctioning suborbital warhead was exploded exactly one hundred and four miles above the Earth.

SEVEN: So everything happened the way it was supposed to.
In the one episode of The Animated Series that's considered canon, Yesteryear, Spock has "ceased to exist" in the Enterprise's "current". It turns out he has to go back to his own past to save his life when he was a child. He distinctly remembers the older cousin who came to save him.

I think you could argue that the events of Yesterday Enterprise have a "Bill and Ted" quality and specifically, that Guinan has a "Bill and Ted" understanding of the timeline...
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Old 08-20-2008, 10:04 PM
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Yes, again the Back to the Future theory makes most sense to me. But the mention of yesteryear would make me think that in Harry Potter, the Bill and Ted theory would be accepted - given the end of Azkaban when Harry is at the frozen lake with the dementors and sees his father, only it isn't, it's himself coming to his own rescue. There would be no multiple universe in that example.

Again, though in 'City on the Edge of Forever' you would have a mix of both - because they recognised the consequences of Edith Keeler's survival, and in turn had to allow her death, which arose because Kirk was there and she was crossing the road to see him, so things ended up as they were supposed to because she was supposed to die and saving her earlier had created an alternate timeline - oh! my head is beginning to hurt again!

Just my observations based on the outlines above! I may have them mixed up, though. I do find the mechanics of TT interesting, just grasping some of them is the bit!
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Old 08-21-2008, 03:24 AM
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it's not so much that I believe in predestination, it's just one of the consequences I can never get my head around due to the different number of time travel theories and potentialities.

It's simpler for me to go with the multiple universe theory. But on time travel I always take the easiest to understand explanation. After all, it's not like the writers sweat over it and they wrote the stuff!
Multi universe would explain alot of things....
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Old 08-21-2008, 11:45 AM
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I agree that the splitting timeline BTTF scenario perhaps makes more practical sense, but I always have this problem with it for storytelling:

Marty McFly makes slight alterations to his past re: his parents, and when he returns, his family is successful, rich and cool. In effect: "Oh, this family is MUCH better than the one I left on my old timeline!"

He succeeds in his quest to save his family, but he takes that success with himself to the new timeline. In a sense, I think BTTF *wants* the ending to be on the original timeline, but it can't be, can it?
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Old 08-21-2008, 11:52 AM
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I agree that the splitting timeline BTTF scenario perhaps makes more practical sense, but I always have this problem with it for storytelling:

Marty McFly makes slight alterations to his past re: his parents, and when he returns, his family is successful, rich and cool. In effect: "Oh, this family is MUCH better than the one I left on my old timeline!"

He succeeds in his quest to save his family, but he takes that success with himself to the new timeline. In a sense, I think BTTF *wants* the ending to be on the original timeline, but it can't be, can it?
I think one can make change that benefits them, or maybe even their country. But in universal balance, someone has to suffer for those changes.

Marty's changes were not drastic, time flowed in the right direction, but he had changed his father's direction to his eventual benefit. Also makes for a happy ending.

Why not tell Doc Brown (1955) to figure out the basics of the DeLorean before he goes? He seemd to do ok in BTTF3 with retro enginerring that micro chip into the technology of his time.

Or why doesn't future Doc Brown and his wife go back and tell 1985 Doc Brown to modify his experiments and stop BTTF from happening?
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Well...I think there's probably still a timeline in which Marty's dad is a putz and his mom's a drunk, his sister's a **** and he has a crap car....but OUR Marty got out of that timeline and into this new, cool timeline where dad and mom are a) hot b) healthy and c) successful and the sister is actually intelligent...and he's got a great truck!
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Linear time doesn't neccesarily exist in every alternate universe, so like Data said, "Anything that can happen, DOES happen." Since we're in a linear universe, we would never know if our time lines had been changed.

Someone once said that time looks more like a sponge than a string. I like that visual.
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Well...I think there's probably still a timeline in which Marty's dad is a putz and his mom's a drunk, his sister's a **** and he has a crap car....but OUR Marty got out of that timeline and into this new, cool timeline where dad and mom are a) hot b) healthy and c) successful and the sister is actually intelligent...and he's got a great truck!
So you use the theory of "everything that could have happened has happened in aother reailty?"

So in soem alternate reality we are Star Wars fans???? YIKES!!!!
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