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Old 06-30-2008, 11:30 AM
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Late to the game here....so if I echo anyone's ideas...my apologies.

First, there was some good material in that fanfic that one of the posters mentioned earlier. Great job.

Now, for a different notion....the videogame Star Trek: Legacy (non-canon, I know) intimates that Kirk actually came back out of retirement (with the rank of Admiral again) to deal with a problem that had been plaguing the Federation since its founding back in Archer's day. He got to see combat a couple more times before finally retiring. I believe he was commanding the Ent-A in this scenario too, so this had to have happened just before Generations...although one would wonder why he would've gotten demoted to Captain again before retiring....unless they held his inability to fully resolve the crisis against him.
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Old 06-30-2008, 11:37 AM
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Late to the game here....so if I echo anyone's ideas...my apologies.

First, there was some good material in that fanfic that one of the posters mentioned earlier. Great job.

Now, for a different notion....the videogame Star Trek: Legacy (non-canon, I know) intimates that Kirk actually came back out of retirement (with the rank of Admiral again) to deal with a problem that had been plaguing the Federation since its founding back in Archer's day. He got to see combat a couple more times before finally retiring. I believe he was commanding the Ent-A in this scenario too, so this had to have happened just before Generations...although one would wonder why he would've gotten demoted to Captain again before retiring....unless they held his inability to fully resolve the crisis against him.
This one doesn't fit too well....decent idea...timewise doesn't work.
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What I mean is his death on Veridian III was unneeded to the overall story. It was just a "HEY LETS MAKE OUR MARK ON TREK BY KILLING KIRK! GENIUS!" moment by the writers.

If he hadn't died in 2371, he would've lived to around 2431. Figure he was 60 when he went into the Nexus, 60 when he came out, 60+60=120, 2431 is his death.

Whatever, though. I'm cool either way. I just hate the way he was basically thrown away in that movie. Definitely not fitting the great James Tiberius Kirk, that's for sure.
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What I mean is his death on Veridian III was unneeded to the overall story. It was just a "HEY LETS MAKE OUR MARK ON TREK BY KILLING KIRK! GENIUS!" moment by the writers.

If he hadn't died in 2371, he would've lived to around 2431. Figure he was 60 when he went into the Nexus, 60 when he came out, 60+60=120, 2431 is his death.

Whatever, though. I'm cool either way. I just hate the way he was basically thrown away in that movie. Definitely not fitting the great James Tiberius Kirk, that's for sure.
Even if he had never set foot on the ENT-B there is no guarentee he would have lived another 60 years.
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What I mean is his death on Veridian III was unneeded to the overall story. It was just a "HEY LETS MAKE OUR MARK ON TREK BY KILLING KIRK! GENIUS!" moment by the writers.

If he hadn't died in 2371, he would've lived to around 2431. Figure he was 60 when he went into the Nexus, 60 when he came out, 60+60=120, 2431 is his death.

Whatever, though. I'm cool either way. I just hate the way he was basically thrown away in that movie. Definitely not fitting the great James Tiberius Kirk, that's for sure.
Sure was the death of Kirk required, how to show better that the Next Gen crew is now in the cinemas? We all know that sadly GEN did not work as intended, but if you take only the script, Kirk dies helping Picard defeating Soran, he prevents a mass murder from killing billions. Spock only saved some hundreds when he died
And his death is still a better farewell then the farewell of the Next Gen crew in Nemesis
Of course you might be right in the sense of, don't do a GEN-like movie simply start of with Picard's crew. But I think that would have please the Kirk-fanboys neither ....
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Sure was the death of Kirk required, how to show better that the Next Gen crew is now in the cinemas? We all know that sadly GEN did not work as intended, but if you take only the script, Kirk dies helping Picard defeating Soran, he prevents a mass murder from killing billions. Spock only saved some hundreds when he died
And his death is still a better farewell then the farewell of the Next Gen crew in Nemesis
Of course you might be right in the sense of, don't do a GEN-like movie simply start of with Picard's crew. But I think that would have please the Kirk-fanboys neither ....
Of course there's allways the Star Trek has to go REAL low budget!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tpxatd3xLWQ
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