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Old 06-21-2008, 10:33 PM
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Default While overall special effects remained fairly consistant throughout all the films....

And considering the times each of them were made, from TMP to Nemesis, the effects of all the films were more than adequate and sometimes very good. Plenty good enough to supend most people's disbelief. But i will say this: The refit Enterprise NEVER looked better than she did in TMP. There was something about how the ship almost had a different glow about her in that film, that was more striking than in any of the other TOS films, including TWOK, even though TWOK was overall a much more enjoyable film than TMP. The scene where Scotty takes Kirk on a tour around the ship is more than just classic, it's absolutely epic in proportion.
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Old 06-22-2008, 04:12 AM
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I think the explosion itself caused the formation of the planet, since when the Enterprise is moving away from it, it's movonh away from the point of the blast (where Reliant had been). The Genesis device was no-where near Regula when it detonated and the planet itself was much larger the Regula planetoid.
I always assumed that since the RELIANT exploded in the Mutare Nebula the planet was made up of ship debris and nebular material, after all, if you look carefully, at the moment the explosion happens, the nebula just kind of disappears.
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Yes, I also think the nebula formed the planet. It all converged and the planet was born, just like it happens with suns and planets everywhere, only much faster.
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Old 06-22-2008, 07:59 AM
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Yep, that's what I always figured happened, the Genesis device took elements from the nebula, began to do what it was built for and then created the planet out of the material it exploded near.
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This is EXACTLY what I mean... we're all saying this is what we "figured" happened. I thought I saw somewhere that someone said that since the Enterprise was only travelling at impulse speeds, they weren't that far away from Regula, and the shockwave could have easily reached the planet. We also have to take into acccount there already being a sun, or the creation of a sun AND a planet.
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Old 06-23-2008, 09:06 AM
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The short answer to that is that based on what we see actually onscreen there is no conclusive information as to what the genesis planet was created from. Regula was nearby, but we don't see it at all after the ships enter the Mutara Nebula. The Nebula itself is clearly destroyed in the first seconds of the Genesis detonation because we see it disappear and become ordinary space as Reliant explodes. Although we could see stars etc outwith the nebula before it's destruction we saw no evidence of any planets, and again none were visible when Reliant exploded, or as we watched the Enterprise warp out. What we DID see was a series of expanding rings emanante from the centrepoint of the blast, these were too large to be the wreckage or material from Reliant so we can reasonably assume that this was the begining of the formation of the genesis planet. We then see the crew watching this formation develop on the viewscreen and then after Kirk has left the bridge to watch Spock die we cut to the Enterprise orbiting the new Genesis planet. Going by what is visible onscreen I would say that Genesis' matrix created the planet out of the material it found in the Nebula and it's own makeup. Other views are valid but I don't think a cast iron explanation exists.
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Old 06-23-2008, 09:47 AM
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It would make sense to me that the Genesis device simply converted the raw materials from the nebula into planet-making stuff, as was its design to do so. If nebula can give birth to stars, then there is no reason enough raw materials aren' conceivably available to make a much smaller mass space body.

In one way it's a large stretch to do so compared to the previous 're-matrixing' of an existing planet, as if the G would "know" how to collect this widely dispersed material, but that's where the science fiction comes into the storytelling I guess.

I think we can safely assume that the starship had nowhere near the mass to contribute to creating a planet, except providing a few metal and chemical raw materials to the recipe.

In any case, it wasn't a very well-built planet to begin with, which I always found made the idea more plausible. Humanity's attempts to outfox and outcreate nature often end up as poor imitations.
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Again, following on from that, I wondered if (as well as the shortcuts taken by David Marcus in developing Genesis) the fact that it 'created' a planet rather than restarted the evolution of another with it's matrix, contributed to it's instability as Genesis wasn't meant to do that. It's job was essentially superfast terraforming, not full planet formation. But the idea that no matter what we attempt, nature will still find a way to outsmart us was cool!
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Almost 30 years later, The Motion Picture's effects are still the best. The Enterprise never looked better, the level of detail in everything was stupendous, and the V'Ger visuals, though they dragged down the pace of the movie itself, were ethereally lovely.
agreed, the FX were grand. too bad they nearly bankrupted the franchise.

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