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Old 06-07-2014, 11:33 AM
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If Spock Prime dies in the Alternate Reality, then the same thing will happen that happened to Kirk. What I mean by that, is since Kirk was presumed dead in 2293, he infact survived and reappeard in the 24th century only to actually die again. Kirk is officially announced as dead in the prime universe in 2293. Only Picard knows that Kirk died again.

With Ambassador Spock being listed as dead in the Prime Universe when being transported to the Alternate Reality in 2387, he may die "again" if he dies in the Alternate Reality. However, he is the only member from the Prime Universe who would know. As far as I know, Nero is the only other member from the Prime Reality and he's dead now.

Kirk: 2233-2293 (officially) 2371 (only Picard knows)

Spock: 2230-2387 (officially) 2258 (only Nero knows)
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Which would also mean that Kirk only lived twice, and Spock, thrice, if you consider their presences in their alternate/parallel realities to be new at the time of their arrival.
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Well, at least I got a response from someone! :P
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You assume Picard didnt tell anybody.
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Old 07-07-2014, 07:02 AM
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That's a fair point, and I think it's probably come up in post-'Generations' discussion before, but what Picard reported to Starfleet about the events of the film and the loss of the ship is unclear.

I seem to remember in 'The Measure of a Man' it's stated that a Court-Martial is a standard procedure when a ship is lost, so we might suspect that even if it's a formality, Picard would have gone through another inbetween 'Generations' and 'First Contact' where he had to account for events.
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My Number One put the ship's counselor behind the wheel. He tells me there wasn't time and he had to think on his feet, but you know...
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It is a fair point, what did Picard tell the tribunal? Strictly speaking he could probably get away with just saying that he defeated Soren and prevented the rocket from being launched. Would he have got into trouble for telling the truth? Would him going back in time break the temporal prime directive? As time has no meaning in the Nexus was he even going back in time? Surely the site would be investigated, would investigators find Kirk's body? Would anyone trust Riker again after he lost the Enterprise to a "20 year old Bird of Prey"? Would the saucer be salvaged and reused as part of another ship? Were the Romulans ever held accountable for attacking and killing the crew of a Federation observatory? ... I could go on
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I do remember Sisko telling Worf that he was "sorry to hear about the Enterprise. She was a good ship." So, obviously Starfleet knows that the Enterprise could not be salvaged. Heck, it was even in Picard's own log. And Starfleet knew where to pick up the vessels, thus knowing where the ship was stranded. Perhaps he was court martialed on the Farragut?

"Captain's Log, Stardate 48650.1: Three Starfleet vessels have arrived in orbit and have begun to beam up the Enterprise survivors. Our casualties were light, but unfortunately, the Enterprise herself, cannot be salvaged."

So, I guess Worf must have sent an emergency beacon from the Enterprise in order to get Starfleet's attention.

Shatner's novel "The Return" mentions that the Enterprise-D was slowly being taking apart through replication, or something along those lines so the Prime Directive wouldn't be violated incase an inhabitant of Veridian IV were to come along. I know it's not canon, however it is an interesting read and it was nice to at least read something along the lines of the aftermath post-Generations.
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Anything that happens in the Nexus, stays in the Nexus. I don't believe they ever left. It's all running on Picard's and Guinan's imagination. And nobody knows nothing about Kirk or why the Ent was destroyed or anything else past that point.

The Enterprise D and her crew were all killed when Veridian III was destroyed. Who knows what's going on in the real universe. If there really is such a thing when dealing with multi-verses. Who's to say which universe is "prime". I'd believe that each person would believe, their universe is prime. Wouldn't you?

If we found out tomorrow that there are millions of universes, all existing in the same space, but on different planes (or however that would work), would you believe that your universe is the prime universe or would you believe that we're just a copy that happened when a series of events took place to create or change us from whichever was the prime universe? But if we existed before the change, wouldn't that mean we're not copies of any universe?

Almost as bad as time travel theory.

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