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Old 04-24-2014, 02:20 AM
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https://tv.yahoo.com/news/kurtzman-o...223500053.html


Apparently, Trek is now in the hands of Orci.
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Old 04-25-2014, 06:16 PM
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That seems a premature assumption. We already knew Kurtzman was out and McKay/Payne were in. We already knew Orci was staying on. The only thing that's changed is he's made a bid for the director's chair.

This doesn't mean Joe Cornish is no longer in the running as director. Pretty sure there was at least one other being considered as well.

For the part of Orci/Kurtsman, I still don't have enough of a fix on them to know what this means. I still haven't watched their TV stuff. I concede that I've overestimated them once. This split-up might be good for them.

The best thing a new director can do is BE a director. Whether that means hiring different people than before, or taking a more active involvement with the actors or screenwriters, or whether it means something more broad like having your own style or even a vision (whatever that is... at the age of 40 I still don't know).

The new guy's disadvantage will be that he isn't JJ Abrams. His advantage is that he's not supposed to be. When film franchises start declining, there's typically a director-for-hire involved who only takes half of that equation into account.

EDIT: That was a nicely-written editorial you linked. It didn't sell me on Orci, but it was refreshingly balanced. And I agree with his views on both the ST films so far.
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Old 04-25-2014, 10:24 PM
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I don't really know much about the new guys hired on the writing side (although new blood now and again and maybe even the odd person not all that heavy on the series can help now and again) but I thought I had read Cornish had signed up to direct something else. Although his name in contention was more interesting than when Jon M. Chu was supposed to be a contender. 'Attack The Block' was a fun film that showed Cornish had big screen sensibilities and managed to make them work on a small budget. I guess for some reason Matt Reeves was on my mind as well but I think he's busy with an already planned third 'Apes' film.
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I think Reeves is the other person I was thinking of. I knew there was somebody with prior Bad Robot association on the list.

And yeah, Jon M. Chu's resume doesn't impress. Did anyone even see G.I. Joe Retaliation? I had forgotten him. Thankfully he looks to be committed to another Hasbro film.

It seems that Star Trek is the most recent thing Wikipedia has on Cornish, as of last November. I think I'm going to hold out hope for him. Even though I've not seen Attack the Block.
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Get the feeling that this will the 'token' third instalment of Trek before being rebooted a few years down the track.
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http://www.slashfilm.com/joe-cornish...t-star-trek-3/

I found that for Cornish and there's some other articles you can find saying the same basic thing. It seems like he left the shortlist a couple months back for unknown reasons. At the moment the third film seems a little directionless at this point. At least until a director is locked down.
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Well they have to start pre-production soon if they plan on keeping their 2016 release date. Orci may end up getting the job just by default.

I looked up both his co-writers, and they're both first-timers. Why are they even on this picture? Can he not write a screenplay solo? What do they contribute?

If this is what the writing staff looks like, then it falls to the director to make up for it with either his experience or (alternatively) a quirky sense of style. Orci doesn't strike me as having either.

I really don't think Paramount would reboot (again) after just three movies, at least not intentionally. They would have to start losing actors first. And if they were just making three films, they've already done a poor job of planning it out.

Film 2 not only falls short of being the franchise-defining second act of a trilogy, but it establishes the five-year mission as not having started yet, while at the same time teasing it for the next movie. Whether they've intended to shift gears beginning with the next film or not, they've already set themselves up for doing just that. Unless the cast starts splintering off, I doubt they could wrap the series with just one more film.

Iron Man Three is a recent example of a sequel that I believe successfully changed gears with its replacement director. Best-case scenario, they get someone who can do that for ST. Worst-case scenario, a sub-par third film causes mediocre to become the new 'normal' in terms of Paramount's expectations for the franchise -- and consequently their goals for it as well.
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My personal gut feeling is Abrams taking 'Star Wars' (therefore obviously making him unable to do both projects) has thrown Paramount for a loop and there's possibly no one 'major' out there who especially wants to take over right now. No one with a distinctive style as such. Because none of the names even rumoured so far are 'name' directors even though I liked Reeves and Wyatt because they seemed still a grade above the likes of Chu based on previous films. Cornish would have been as well.

Given that (as I choose to look at the first two films when all was said and done and reality replaced personal wants or feelings) they've built their foundations of the new universe with their two films and it's now time to move into the deep space part of the idea. I think that does need to happen (then again with the Earth-centric nature of the film series in general it's probably not guaranteed no matter who takes over) definitely and with that then maybe a change of focus a change of style like 'Iron Man 3' could work as well. Although for me that one felt a little too much like a Shane Black film regardless. If they want a long term franchise beyond three films then they could do something that, but if a trilogy was the idea (which I think now seems unlikely because the second film didn't feel like the middle part of a trilogy, it felt like the second part of the first film) then I think you really would have needed Abrams to have stayed for some basic consistency.
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Yeah, the last film kinda felt like 007's Quantum of Solace to Casino Royale. It was a smaller film as far as moving things forward.
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Ever since Orci made his distasteful remarks about Ebert I knew that he was a jerk and ever since I heard his nutty political ramblings about the previous generation having fu*ked up up his life (which would be irrelevant if it did not influence his scripts) I knew that he was a moron.

I find it funny that he will direct the new Trek movie though. It just shows what I said since the very beginning, that the notion was that this new Trek will be so totally fresh (Khan hat-trick) and non-incestuous is ludicrous.
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