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Old 11-27-2012, 12:16 PM
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Doubt very much its either Khan, Mitchell or any of the more familiar characters at this point. JJ's been throwing red herrings out since the beginning . I don't think the trailer will reveal a helluva lot of pertinent details either.
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Old 11-27-2012, 01:29 PM
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I really don't think it's Khan, Mitchell maybe. As for early TOS we have Mudd, Korby. Dr van Gelder, Balok, Charlie X, Kodos the Executioner, Finnegan, Horta Trelane, Kor or... even the amoeba's from Operation Annihilate.
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Old 11-27-2012, 01:46 PM
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I think it's evil Kirk. (The one from the transporter accident, not the Mirrorverse.)
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:42 AM
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First of all, the synopsis sounds good. Sure, it will be a dumb action flick and hardly reach the quality of a TNG Picard vs. Starfleet story (precisely because this movie will be a "one rotten apple" and not a "holy sh*t, there is something wrong with every second Admiral and thus our organization itself" story) but at least they do not fight against some oh-so-wicked looking Tattoomulans this time but against one of themselves. I guess that the story will be better than that of STXI which is admittedly hardly a dangerous bet.

Second, we have already known that the character is canonical, a villain and iconic; now we know in addition that he is a Starfleet officer whom Kirk personally knows. Mitchell is the obvious guess (in addition there is Urban's slip of the tongue about Mitchell as pro plus his seeming death in a comic as con) as Finnegan is hardly more than a bully or iconic ... and as you simply do not choose an Irishman as villain.
Obviously Mitchel is a far better choice than Khan as his character is far more flexible. He is just an arbitrary Starfleet officer with an overdose of self-confidence and a friend of Kirk whereas Khan is a megalomaniac superhuman who isn't all that interesting in and of himself and mainly works as personification of the fictional historical past.
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Gary Mitchell has already been disproven in theory. By the Orci approved comics.
They "say" the comics are canon. But then, remember Orci is part of Team JJ. Lying is a way of life.

If you go by what's said in the Paramount synopsis, the wording fits Mitchell far better than Khan. Especially the inference that the villain is part of Starfleet. Khan was not Starfleet, so that line alone should negate the Khan theory.

One of the other possible choices? Garth of Izar, anyone? Orci has said the villain was someone from early in TOS, but then again, as mentioned, he's Team JJ...
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They "say" the comics are canon. But then, remember Orci is part of Team JJ. Lying is a way of life.

If you go by what's said in the Paramount synopsis, the wording fits Mitchell far better than Khan. Especially the inference that the villain is part of Starfleet. Khan was not Starfleet, so that line alone should negate the Khan theory.

One of the other possible choices? Garth of Izar, anyone? Orci has said the villain was someone from early in TOS, but then again, as mentioned, he's Team JJ...
Thus "in theory". It's a nice little circle: "It reads like it's Gary!" "It can't be Gary, he's in the comics!" "Orci lies!" "It might be a double bluff!" "It could be Gary!" "Noooo, he's in the comics!"

Garth is another possibility.
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I say 31.
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There's a few options here: One is that the team has been on a mission for the last five years. Everything that has happened in TOS has passed, though albeit differently. Or it could be just a years worth of missions. In that case Khan could be very much the villain, who has escaped his fate on Ceti Alpha 5 and has returned to Earth to conquer it.
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It's probably just the name of some redshirt from an early episode. Some ensign narrowly survives a horrible death on a mission, returns to Earth, but is traumatised by the incident and gains superhuman powers and intellect.
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There's a few options here: One is that the team has been on a mission for the last five years. Everything that has happened in TOS has passed, though albeit differently. Or it could be just a years worth of missions. In that case Khan could be very much the villain, who has escaped his fate on Ceti Alpha 5 and has returned to Earth to conquer it.
Not likely. Orci said a few months back that the second movie would still be very early in Kirk's command, and that he would learn some hard lessons. He may be the Captain of the Enterprise now, but he still has to learn what it really means to be a Starship Commander.
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