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Old 08-06-2011, 02:15 PM
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Default The Bioethics of The Clone Wars

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Old 08-06-2011, 02:49 PM
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The article is bad because it forcefully tries to shove down the reader's throat that cloning is bad, that the clones are treated inhumanely and that they are monstrous puppets. The contradiction is obvious.
The author also doesn't understand that siding with the clones is perfectly natural for the audience, even with the benefit of hindsight. That's how fiction works. They defend the Republic against a bunch of ruthless oligarchs and it is not their fault that they later get used and abused as Jedi killers.

Wars on the other hand approaches the subject very well and far less preachy. The clones were seemingly ordered by Sidious or Dooku and now they simply exist. Any ethical question about cloning is moot in such a situation. Not using the clones as soldiers is also not an option for the Republic. There simply aren't any decisions to be made so there isn't any ethical dilemna or whatever!
While there is a sense of uneasiness in Episode II among the Jedi they later become used to fighting alongside the Clone which is pretty natural. Let's also not forget that they are Jedi are basically Eastern monks with lightsabers so just rolling with the flow perfectly fits their philosopy.
Furthermore Clone Wars treats the Clones as fairly ordinary beings. Sure, they are programmed to be obedient soldiers but apart from that they are just ordinary guys. So much about them being wicked Frankensteins.

Cloning is not an issue in Wars. The author might wanna write about "Brave New World" (or the real world scumbags who strive to clone people) if he cares so much about cloning.
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The article is bad because it forcefully tries to shove down the reader's throat that cloning is bad, that the clones are treated inhumanely and that they are monstrous puppets. The contradiction is obvious.
The author also doesn't understand that siding with the clones is perfectly natural for the audience, even with the benefit of hindsight. That's how fiction works. They defend the Republic against a bunch of ruthless oligarchs and it is not their fault that they later get used and abused as Jedi killers.

Wars on the other hand approaches the subject very well and far less preachy. The clones were seemingly ordered by Sidious or Dooku and now they simply exist. Any ethical question about cloning is moot in such a situation. Not using the clones as soldiers is also not an option for the Republic. There simply aren't any decisions to be made so there isn't any ethical dilemna or whatever!
While there is a sense of uneasiness in Episode II among the Jedi they later become used to fighting alongside the Clone which is pretty natural. Let's also not forget that they are Jedi are basically Eastern monks with lightsabers so just rolling with the flow perfectly fits their philosopy.
Furthermore Clone Wars treats the Clones as fairly ordinary beings. Sure, they are programmed to be obedient soldiers but apart from that they are just ordinary guys. So much about them being wicked Frankensteins.

Cloning is not an issue in Wars. The author might wanna write about "Brave New World" (or the real world scumbags who strive to clone people) if he cares so much about cloning.

Indeed. The biggest ethical issue at all was just in the matter that the war was continuing, instead of being brought to a peaceful resolution....clones or not.

But, if the war must continue..... Send in the clones!
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Old 08-08-2011, 05:40 AM
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Lucas is often described as lacking certain story skills. Nothing could be further from the truth. In the prequels and Clone Wars be don't merely see people fighting in the Republican military, we also see why they are superior to stupid droids. The Emperor had the choice between his two armies and he went for flesh and blood.
If some of this ethical issues about cloning were present in Wars the story wouldn't work anymore. You have to like the clones and want them to defeat the Separatists such that Episode 3 really shocks you.
If they were just a bunch of soulless creatures like the droids they fight against, if the Jedi had trouble sleeping at night because they worry about who really is behind the creation of the clones (instead of worrying like they actually do about the war which makes much more sense) Order 66 wouldn't be the tragedy it is.

It's not so much about the clones being slaves which you can easily control and manipulate, it's rather about the Emperor's skills to be so insidious and manipulate nearly everybody, including incidentally the clones.
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This is also why I love the Clone Wars animated series....because even in watching it, you kinda forget (or at least the thought is displaced) that eventually the Clone Troopers become stormtroopers. They are human and likable.
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Old 08-08-2011, 09:35 AM
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Indeed. I like the "little" stories that deal with the events in the lives of a few ordinary troopers.

I think it is important that the series provides a bit of Episode 1 atmosphere, showing life in the Republic broadly (naturally Episode 2 and 3 had to be narrower and focus on the main plot) such that you are reminded of what these folks defend. It also handles in-universe-ness, continuity or however you wanna call it in a more relaxed fashion than Trek which is sometimes a bit uneasy and unplayful in this respect (perhaps partly because of us crazy bunch).

And of course it has a good portion of sweet action. Or as Denny Crane would say, thank God for guns.

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Yep, and it's just edgy enough for adults to enjoy as well.

I just love it...and am eagerly awaiting getting season 3 on blu-ray.
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