[JamesTKirk1701]

Originally Posted by kevin

I tell ya - I'm watching the Generations one right now (not kidding) and I'm in stitches!!

But on a more serious note - it's exactly why I just cant let myself get more upset over ST09 than these others.

We've been dealing with this kinda Star Trek movie stupidity for years and years! And I would love to see him do one for the new film - it would probably be awesome!

When I saw Generations for the first time, I saw soran blow up the Enterprise basically and I was like "holy sh-t, I can't f-cking believe they destroyed the Enterprise and the bad guys won". Movies have gone down hill in the last ten years now they'll make anything.

[Saquist]

Originally Posted by kevin

At least it wasn't as bad as they were expecting....

But returning to seriousness, I wonder if any of this assists in understanding some of the reluctance to single out the new film for particularly special consideration in light of how easy it is to pull apart a Star Trek film? If one really wants to go down such a road.

There are issues (Man, there are lots of them!) when it comes to the way the Trek movies have been put together in recent years and it doesn't excuse them, and it doesn't justify them but there's no reason to pretend they haven't been around for a very long time.

And at the end of the day, there remains something within each of them that somewhere, some Fans can take away a part of and get something out of. Even in the new film - though as ever, mileage varys on that.

It all depends on how someone wants to see them.

I feel sick.
There was stupidity in that movie that I didn't even want to know about and completely missed in the first two viewings.

[I-Am-Zim]

Originally Posted by Saquist

I feel sick.
There was stupidity in that movie that I didn't even want to know about and completely missed in the first two viewings.

I know what you mean. I'm in the process of dissecting the movie scene by scene (no, I didn't buy it. I actually recieved the single-disc DVD for Christmas) in order to nitpick the ever-lovin' hell out of it. I know Kevin will ask why I don't do that with the other Trek films. My answer to that is that I like the other Trek films. They were "my" Star Trek. I know they all had plot holes and contrivances. But they were enjoyable to me (well...with the possible exception of TFF) because they were, once again, "My" Star Trek. STXI is decidedly not "my" Star Trek. The ad campaign told me so. Seeing the movie proved it. Therefore, since STXI isn't "my" star Trek, I have every right to rip it apart. I could easily do the same to the other 10 movies, but I choose not to. My prerogative. But with STXI it's so damn easy! The plot holes and contrivances are so blatant and obvious, it's a nitpicker's field day! So I intend to have fun with it. When I'm done, maybe I'll start a thread about it. I know that's just asking for trouble, but what the heck? Right?

[chator]

Originally Posted by I-Am-Zim

I know what you mean. I'm in the process of dissecting the movie scene by scene (no, I didn't buy it. I actually recieved the single-disc DVD for Christmas) in order to nitpick the ever-lovin' hell out of it. I know Kevin will ask why I don't do that with the other Trek films. My answer to that is that I like the other Trek films. They were "my" Star Trek. I know they all had plot holes and contrivances. But they were enjoyable to me (well...with the possible exception of TFF) because they were, once again, "My" Star Trek. STXI is decidedly not "my" Star Trek. The ad campaign told me so. Seeing the movie proved it. Therefore, since STXI isn't "my" star Trek, I have every right to rip it apart. I could easily do the same to the other 10 movies, but I choose not to. My prerogative. But with STXI it's so damn easy! The plot holes and contrivances are so blatant and obvious, it's a nitpicker's field day! So I intend to have fun with it. When I'm done, maybe I'll start a thread about it. I know that's just asking for trouble, but what the heck? Right?

I got a Borders giftcard for Xmas. I went in browsed around for a bit, maybe an hour and the only thing i wanted was Star TrekXI and the G.I. Joe Movie, so i got STXI, so i could see it again, and pick it apart. If i had to buy it, i probably wouldn't have. So i watched it again and had to pause every five minutes to write something down in my notebook, if something struck me as odd, or noteworthy, so i completely know what you are talking about Zim when you say nitpicker's field day.

[That Metal Beastie]

Originally Posted by I-Am-Zim

I know what you mean. I'm in the process of dissecting the movie scene by scene (no, I didn't buy it. I actually recieved the single-disc DVD for Christmas) in order to nitpick the ever-lovin' hell out of it. I know Kevin will ask why I don't do that with the other Trek films. My answer to that is that I like the other Trek films. They were "my" Star Trek. I know they all had plot holes and contrivances. But they were enjoyable to me (well...with the possible exception of TFF) because they were, once again, "My" Star Trek. STXI is decidedly not "my" Star Trek. The ad campaign told me so. Seeing the movie proved it. Therefore, since STXI isn't "my" star Trek, I have every right to rip it apart. I could easily do the same to the other 10 movies, but I choose not to. My prerogative. But with STXI it's so damn easy! The plot holes and contrivances are so blatant and obvious, it's a nitpicker's field day! So I intend to have fun with it. When I'm done, maybe I'll start a thread about it. I know that's just asking for trouble, but what the heck? Right?

Well at least you admit it. I can appreciate that. There are others on this board who seem to have less insight into their own motivations than you do.

[kevin]

Originally Posted by I-Am-Zim

I know what you mean. I'm in the process of dissecting the movie scene by scene (no, I didn't buy it. I actually recieved the single-disc DVD for Christmas) in order to nitpick the ever-lovin' hell out of it. I know Kevin will ask why I don't do that with the other Trek films. My answer to that is that I like the other Trek films. They were "my" Star Trek. I know they all had plot holes and contrivances. But they were enjoyable to me (well...with the possible exception of TFF) because they were, once again, "My" Star Trek. STXI is decidedly not "my" Star Trek. The ad campaign told me so. Seeing the movie proved it. Therefore, since STXI isn't "my" star Trek, I have every right to rip it apart. I could easily do the same to the other 10 movies, but I choose not to. My prerogative. But with STXI it's so damn easy! The plot holes and contrivances are so blatant and obvious, it's a nitpicker's field day! So I intend to have fun with it. When I'm done, maybe I'll start a thread about it. I know that's just asking for trouble, but what the heck? Right?

Well, since you brought me specifically into it I would really genuinely say have all the fun you want to taking it apart.

I imagine it won't be that hard to accomplish. I'm sure I could find some of them myself in fact.

However, I think we've established the last few flicks are as abundant when it comes to the joys of nitpicking but at the end of the say I really ultimately have the same basic POV you have. Just from the opposite side of the spectrum.

I enjoy ST09 anyway despite everything those that don't like it say about it. The fact that half the time TOS itself was as shaky when placed under scrutiny is no small part of that. I enjoy all the other films as well the same as you do. Except Nemesis - I shall never apologise for detesting that film - despite the changes brought to the reboot by Abrams and Orci and I'm fine with it as Star Trek.

You're not. Chator's not. Other's are not.

That's fine. That's life.

[samwiseb]

Originally Posted by kevin

I enjoy all the other films as well the same as you do. Except Nemesis - I shall never apologise for detesting that film.