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Old 03-19-2008, 05:08 AM
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Well TWOK had a mov ie budget and Trek Tv had a TV budget, you cannot cost efectively create movie style effects wekly, even now with CGI, much les then with models.

Good point, But TWOK was also the cheapest of all the Star Trek movie's to this date. So compare to the more recent movie's, I still think it's something that should be kept in mind
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Old 03-19-2008, 05:20 AM
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Well TWOK reused alot of TMP footage. Only the Reliant battle footage was new.
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Most technology goes through stages of development. Look at both aircraft and automotive tech:

With aircraft, we moved very quickly into designs that were not only able to stay in the air, but were large enough and powerful enough to become effictive bombers/fighters. After that, engineers ("I know engineers, they LOVE to change things!" -Dr. McCoy) began to improve designs with the coming of new advances. Swapping aircraft grade alunimum for steel tubing and cloth, jet engines for turbo props, and so on.

Same with automotive design. Your grandfather's DeSoto or '57 Chevy was built like a tank, but were crap on gas. As the needs of the car buying public changed (and still change to this day, thanks to gas prices) so did the designs. Some are no where near as "tough" as the old designs, but, could be considered "better" because of their saftey standards and efficiency.

I imagine it's a bit that way with starships. The old Constitution class is a bit like a Desoto: built like a tank, or as dependable as a B-17 to get you back home, but considered a bit clunky by TNG standards. Like Scotty noted about the old DY-100: "Big, bulky.. I think they used to call them "transistors"... man I'd love to tear this baby apart...." Yet, I'm sure the DY-100 was a tough old bird... for it's time. The newer ships are just built differently, thanks to different needs, and different design criteria.
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Some good points Fan.
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Well TWOK reused alot of TMP footage. Only the Reliant battle footage was new.

If that's the case, then they did a great job, because i never noticed it. I love TWOK it's still my favorite Trek Film. I like the others for different reasons but TWOK is just an overall excellent film.
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Old 03-19-2008, 09:33 AM
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Watch all the non battle footage/escaping from genesis footage in TWOK, then comare it to TMP. They reused alot of shots. What makes it work it how and where they used it.
They did anything to save a buck on that film.
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Yeah, I think they even flipped shots and blew them up, scaled them down, so it wouldn't be as noticable.
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Also budget, alot of DS9 and Voyager were all CGI so you could show alot of ships exploding without blowing up models you'd shoot every week as with TOS, which may have something to do with it as well.[/quote]

I think this is exactly why you see newer ships get blown up with more frequency.

Can you imagine if GR had access to this tech? Maybe he would have been able to do things differently...

And I remember watching those first DS9 episodes with the Defiant & the Domininon doing battle and going "Holy ****"! To be honest, those felt more "realistic" than a ship that never gets pounded.
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Watch all the non battle footage/escaping from genesis footage in TWOK, then comare it to TMP. They reused alot of shots. What makes it work it how and where they used it.
They did anything to save a buck on that film.
But i don't want to know Zardoz. I want to retain my suspension of disbelief.
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Ok.....lol...I'll contact the Talosoans and get your place ready...lol.
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