[janeway72]

I got the DVD before Christmas, planned to watch it over the holidays but left it in the DVD player in my computer at work

[Captain Tom Coughlin]

Will it still be there when you go back, or do people swipe things there?

[janeway72]

No it will still be there. The school will be empty until I go back It's just a bit annoying

[Captain Tom Coughlin]

That's good, it would suck to lose it

[janeway72]

Originally Posted by Captain Tom Coughlin

That was the biggest flaw in the movie for me as well, and I generally loved the movie. Haven't seen it since summer, but I just got the DVD for Christmas so I'll be watching it later tonight

(To be clear, I'm referring to the instant promotion of Kirk as a flaw, I liked the final scene because it was a very Kirk like moment)

I agree. It was the biggest problem. It was a real Hollywood moment.

[starwarsrcks]

I didn't care if it was a flaw Kirk did after all save earth, Pike also Starfleet must have liked Kirk for what he accomplished he was handed the keys to his ship the Enterprise.

[janeway72]

With the experience of one mission. On heroic act does not make a captain. And besides, he was only one of many on a crew.

[kevin]

Yes, but they didn't step forward when 'they had no Captain and no First Officer to replace him'!!

That's why they're still in the background!

[janeway72]

But it wasn't a one man show. A Captain is surely only as good as the team he commands. Yes, Kirk showed guts and a certain flair but that should be enough to get him a medal or something, not a promotion of about 3 ranks (I'm not sure of the ranking system of the TOS era)

[kevin]

Well, I think he actually had the rank of lieutenant in the film, despite being a cadet. Commodore pointed out that in the transport scene on the display he is identified as such - I actually meant to double check it when I watched it on Christmas Eve. I forgot to, but if the case then it would suggest he was already up a grade or two.

Plus, I think the ranking systems are a little inconsistent at times. Though that stems from reading the posts of those familiar with ranking structures and also from background info from things like tech manuals etc.

I don't pretend to know the in's and out's of rank. I'll leave it to those that have a better working knowledge.

However, certainly in life it's often those who display the ability to step in and take control/command (as he should have assuming he was on the command track anyway in the Academy) in situations like that who are the ones who get noticed. Those who don't step in but follow.......

.....tend not to be rewarded in such ways.

Of course, I am not in the least saying I bought it completely (and even the writers have alluded to the fact as well) but it's one of those little 'pushes' that had to happen in order to basically get the last scene set up.