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Old 11-06-2009, 07:49 AM
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It is called midlife crisis.
I guess Picard got the point....
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Old 11-06-2009, 08:10 AM
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There is an interesting symmetry between Picard and PrimeKirk. Kirk is a serious bookworm in his academy years, during the five year mission he is a playful womanizer and in his later years he becomes a bit more serious again. With Picard it is just the other way around.
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There is an interesting symmetry between Picard and PrimeKirk. Kirk is a serious bookworm in his academy years, during the five year mission he is a playful womanizer and in his later years he becomes a bit more serious again. With Picard it is just the other way around.
True, but also the Federation was alot more "untamed" in Kirk's time, requiring "Cowboy diplomacy." By the time of TNG, and up through ST-FC the Federation was alot more "explored" and not as "untamed' as it was in Kirk's time, evidenced by having familes aboard ship.
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True, but also the Federation was alot more "untamed" in Kirk's time, requiring "Cowboy diplomacy." By the time of TNG, and up through ST-FC the Federation was alot more "explored" and not as "untamed' as it was in Kirk's time, evidenced by having familes aboard ship.
I would disagree that the Galaxy class represented more 'untamed' times strictly, but seems to have been more of an experiment in potentially generational starships designed for very long missions on the outer parts of known Federation space.

It was just that the ship ended up staying within that known space more often than the original TNG brief suggested it would.

That said, it's also clear that even parts of 'safe' space were not at times. Ships were still lost, colonies attacked etc.
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I would disagree that the Galaxy class represented more 'untamed' times strictly, but seems to have been more of an experiment in potentially generational starships designed for very long missions on the outer parts of known Federation space.

It was just that the ship ended up staying within that known space more often than the original TNG brief suggested it would.

That said, it's also clear that even parts of 'safe' space were not at times. Ships were still lost, colonies attacked etc.
But watch TNG, the Federation feels alot "safer" than TOS.

I never thought of the Galaxy Class as a multigenerational ship testbed....hmmm...interesting idea.

TNG made it clear in Season 1, and really was not mentioned again ever in the series, that it was an experiment to keep crewpeople happy by not having to leave families behind.
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I would disagree that the Galaxy class represented more 'untamed' times strictly, but seems to have been more of an experiment in potentially generational starships designed for very long missions on the outer parts of known Federation space.

It was just that the ship ended up staying within that known space more often than the original TNG brief suggested it would.

That said, it's also clear that even parts of 'safe' space were not at times. Ships were still lost, colonies attacked etc.
We have often talked about it, the cut appears between TNG's second and third season rather than between TOS and TNG.
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But watch TNG, the Federation feels alot "safer" than TOS.

I never thought of the Galaxy Class as a multigenerational ship testbed....hmmm...interesting idea.

TNG made it clear in Season 1, and really was not mentioned again ever in the series, that it was an experiment to keep crewpeople happy by not having to leave families behind.
Yes, that was another part of it - again influenced by the original idea that the D would go on near twenty year missions in deep space (not unlike TOS, but a vastly larger starship can stay out for far longer than the 5 years of TOS) - but because of the presence of natal facilities, schools onboard etc, it obviously raises the idea that a child could be born and spend their entire childhood on such a starship.

The Galaxy Class is not just a place where Starfleet officers serve while on rotation, it's a city where people live as well.

But again, that kinda got shunted off to one side after a couple of seasons and we stayed within Federation space for most of the rest of the run of TNG.

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We have often talked about it, the cut appears between TNG's second and third season rather than between TOS and TNG.
Possibly in relation to Roddenberry's declining influence and role in day-to-day terms.
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Yes, that was another part of it - again influenced by the original idea that the D would go on near twenty year missions in deep space (not unlike TOS, but a vastly larger starship can stay out for far longer than the 5 years of TOS) - but because of the presence of natal facilities, schools onboard etc, it obviously raises the idea that a child could be born and spend their entire childhood on such a starship.

The Galaxy Class is not just a place where Starfleet officers serve while on rotation, it's a city where people live as well.

But again, that kinda got shunted off to one side after a couple of seasons and we stayed within Federation space for most of the rest of the run of TNG.
Exactly!
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A few seasons of constantly exploring strange new worlds gets boring. Even Kirk had go home and kick a*s occasionally.
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A few seasons of constantly exploring strange new worlds gets boring. Even Kirk had go home and kick a*s occasionally.
Kikr??? Really??
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