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Old 03-11-2008, 08:22 PM
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That the difference I never saw gene as a great director...
He has good ideas but not a director.

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Old 03-12-2008, 05:26 AM
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GR was an idea man, nothing more. Others created so much that GR ultimately took credit for. GR was bad that way.
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Old 03-12-2008, 07:03 AM
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Ah, but he was no R. Berman...
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Old 03-13-2008, 06:26 AM
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I have to agree with what a lot of you have said. As a 15yo seeing it in the theater for the first time I did find it a bit boring. I think I was probably expecting a Star Wars type of Trek. I still kind of liked it, but it didn't deliver what I was looking for at the time. Now as a 43yo (boy it hurts to say that!) I really enjoy the movie much more. It is what Trek is--about the characters.

Oh, and to this day I still love the the Enterprise flyby as much as Kirk did!
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Old 03-14-2008, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain John Belushi View Post
When people complain about this sequence, I get defensive. I had never even contemplated this realm of poetry and history as an explanation. I have always, ever said: "Kirk never gets to see his ship."

So I think it is necessary to the drama.

And a gift.

And, sadly, I saw it for the first time on low res-eighties videotape. Maybe beta looked better.

It's funny, I was watching TMP just the other day and thinking about both these explanations. I turned off all the lights and tried to imagine that I was seeing the film in the theater for the first time all those years ago. I put myself in the mindset of a fan who had not seen the Enterprise since it was on TV ten years prior. It makes for a very emotional experience. Then I contemplated how it must feel for the character of Admiral Kirk, seeing "his" ship for the first time in a number of years. That whole sequence is very emotional on several levels and is probably one of my favorite scenes in the entire series.
One question that has been on mind lately.... Is TMP canonical with the rest of the film series? It is the perfect continuation of TOS in that we get to see what became of the crew several years after their original voyage. But if you think about it, it doesn't necessarily gel with the rest of the series. TWOK is a direct sequel to the episode "Space Seed" but not to TMP. It's almost like they went back to the drawing board. Obviously, a lot of people were disappointed with TMP and Paramount felt they had to take the franchise in a completely different direction if they were to continue the series. So anyway, it seems to be that both TMP and TWOK can be considered a direct continuation of TOS, but not necessarily to each other. It's almost as if the Admiral Kirk of TWOK is not the same Admiral Kirk of TMP. The rest of the series seems to directly follow TWOK, but none of them seem to be tied to TMP.
Has anyone else ever considered this possibility? What are your thoughts?

Sidenote: TMP is definitely one of my very favorite Trek films. I always wished that they would have made a TNG film where the crew of the Enterprise E encounters the being that Decker and VGer became.
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Old 03-14-2008, 08:33 PM
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Zardoz and I will be in the corner cuddling....

I was devastated by the hidious experience of waiting in line for hours to see something completely and utterly unlike the series Star Trek.(my tradition is to see the films on opening's unbroken, and extends back to TMP) I hated it then, I hate it now. It does nothing but create holes in the character story lines (okay, I admit holes in story lines give fan fic writers something to work with....but I've yet to read a fan fic addressing the question "Why did Spock go to Gol?" that wasn't utterly depressing and horrible).

I don't like Kirk in it. Spock looks hot when he first arrives, but then his voice sounds like it's been run through Stephan Hawking's voice synthesizer...and why is his hair so ugly on Vulcan anyway? Our one opportunity to see Spock with long hair* and they hack it off??? I disliked the uniforms, I hated Ilea. While I have grown fond of the actor portraying Decker, in this he sucked (and, I read an interview with him recently in which he said the same thing but not using that word because he's nicer than I am). Chapel is annoying as usual and they did nothing with the "team" dynamic....the only character even remotely enjoyable is McCoy and that's just because DeForrest Kelley is the best!.

*Which, apparently, I'm not the only female to wish for..

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