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Old 10-09-2009, 08:53 AM
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Your on a Trek forum and you are calling personal taste a weak argument? I never said my liking of past Trek effects was NOT based on personal likes and dislikes. We all have different tastes. Some like the 1701-D better than the 1701-E. I don't care if some Trek fan blabs off all the tech manual specs regarding why he/she likes one over the other, it is still a personal choice. Same goes for TNG transporter effect versus VOY transporter effect. They are different, yet similar. I like the VOY effect better because of the way it starts at "center mass" and then goes outward to cover the entire body/item. Again, personal taste.

You don't find a TOS reboot to be nostalgic? The entire damn movie is nostalgia.
Yet apparently not nostolgic enough for you.
As an "Elitist Trek" fan as you call yourself, complaints just seem moot.
And that's my point.
You can rave to the heavens ceaselessly, it it'd still be moot.
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Old 10-09-2009, 08:55 AM
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Old 10-09-2009, 09:02 AM
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It's ok; I'm just curious what else there is to complain about.
I'm certainly not offended he dislikes the film; that'd just be silly.
I'm just at the point where any more senseless ranting and whining
about what was "wrong" with the film seems utterly, and completely pointless.

And I just end up doing this:
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Old 10-09-2009, 09:03 AM
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It's ok; I'm just curious what else there is to complain about.
I'm certainly not offended he dislikes the film; that'd just be silly.
I'm just at the point where any more senseless ranting and whining
about what was "wrong" with the film seems utterly, and completely pointless.

And I just end up doing this:
I knew there would be two camps,,,just like when TMP came out...and TNG...the "pure" Trek fans and the "new" Trek fans. 5 years from now, no one will remember that anyon hated Trek 11.
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Except the "Elitist" fans.....*rolls eyes*
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Except the "Elitist" fans.....*rolls eyes*
They forget how many incoistances exist in TOS.
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*sigh* Yeah....although to be fair, threads like this really are just flamebait, no?
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Old 10-09-2009, 09:18 AM
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Hmmm I seem to remember inconsitant ship abilites all throught TOS, why should a Nu/TOS film be any diffrent?

Sensors allways worked at warp on TOS, I could site numerous examples.

I love Trek ,and TOS, but let's be honest TOS and Trek have not been overly consitant about warp speed, sensors abilites, sheild capabilites. Why should this film?

Trek's Warp speed and SW's Hyperspace are two mutally exclusive things. Your comparing apples and organes with this one.

It was an emergency situation, as TJ said, it is reasobale to assume that the comm channel and sensors were jammed with interference. So I would assume they used best guess, makes sense. they didn't have the time to drop out of warp outside the system, then plod along at impulse..
Come on Z, you can do better than this. Of course TOS was inconsistent with almost everything that came after it. Nobody (writers) expected fans to remember things like ship specs or whether or not you can transport while the shields are up. By the time TNG came around the producers and writers KNEW they had a fan based that DID care about details like that. That is why later incarnations of Trek did their best to be more consistent. Of course those attempts were not always successful, but at least there a many things us fans knew to be true or not true and expected an explanation when the script strayed from those "knowns".

I agree that sensors DO work while at warp, so I assume the ships were blinded by jamming. Who said they should have dropped out of warp outside the system, then "plod" into the battle? Why not drop out of warp within 5-10 seconds of being able to reach your destination at impulse?

Apples to oranges? Maybe. I simply believe the scene in Star Wars made more sense than this scene in NuTrek because of what I know about Trek. I know the different universe is always used to explain away all these differences, but I only see that as more reason to not give a damn about this universe. Next movie we may get ANOTHER universe. That will be great, aach new show or movie should be in a NEW universe so as to keep things exciting and NEW! We'll never know if you can beam through shields in this universe or that or if warp 9 is TNG warp 9 or based on TOS warp that goes all the way up to, what was it... 14? It will keep us on our toes! It'll be great!
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*sigh* Yeah....although to be fair, threads like this really are just flamebait, no?
Yep...
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Old 10-09-2009, 09:23 AM
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I knew there would be two camps,,,just like when TMP came out...and TNG...the "pure" Trek fans and the "new" Trek fans. 5 years from now, no one will remember that anyon hated Trek 11.
I only call myself an "elitist" Trek fan because that is what others have called me. Because I know many of the minute details of Trek and wish for them to remain the same. Because I like the thoughtful side of Trek and gladly accepted the "nerd" label for being a fan.

There were two camps BEFORE the movie came out.
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