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Old 10-08-2009, 06:25 AM
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That's true for any franchise movie.
I don't believe that ST09 would have been less successful if Kirk had bedded a real, seductive Orion and not that dumb, green frat girl.
I neither believe that it would have been with decent Klingons instead of rastafaris with helmets.

Unless, some marketing guy from Paramount told them to dumb down the movie to the lowest common denominator ...
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Old 10-08-2009, 06:35 AM
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That's true for any franchise movie.
I don't believe that ST09 would have been less successful if Kirk had bedded a real, seductive Orion and not that dumb, green frat girl.
I neither believe that it would have been with decent Klingons instead of rastafaris with helmets.

Unless, some marketing guy from Paramount told them to dumb down the movie to the lowest common denominator ...
In all fairness Horatio, theose pics were in a make up chair, and the make up was obviously unfinshed. The scarf was just holding back the wig. We really have no idea what the final product looks like.

The helmets may have been clan affiliation, or an afectation for THAT Klingon. We've seen things like it before.

Yes, but to make this film finacially viable, they had to do that. Not that I agree with all of it by any measure. But I understand why.
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Old 10-08-2009, 07:13 AM
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I may very well be wrong and the Klingons might be the exception, the aliens O&K did not mess up.
But I have a hunch that the respective scenes with the Narada crew and the Klingons will not be very well done. It indicates that there are tensions between the two empires, it raises the questions why 23rd century Romulans have not gathered intelligence of the Narada and the capture by the Klingons, why the Klingons don't reverse-engineer the Narada, etc.

Whenever you include Romulans and Klingons in one movie (TUC), it has to be a political story (unless it's something like "Birthright").
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I may very well be wrong and the Klingons might be the exception, the aliens O&K did not mess up.
But I have a hunch that the respective scenes with the Narada crew and the Klingons will not be very well done. It indicates that there are tensions between the two empires, it raises the questions why 23rd century Romulans have not gathered intelligence of the Narada and the capture by the Klingons, why the Klingons don't reverse-engineer the Narada, etc.

Whenever you include Romulans and Klingons in one movie (TUC), it has to be a political story (unless it's something like "Birthright").
I agree wth that 100%!
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Old 10-08-2009, 07:23 AM
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To be fair, there was a reason the Klingons were cut out, at least they pulled no Baird-ish 'cut out the good character scenes'.
But it should be already obvious at the writting desk that Vulcans, Romulans and Klingons in a coming-of-age story is a bit too much.
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To be fair, there was a reason the Klingons were cut out, at least they pulled no Baird-ish 'cut out the good character scenes'.
But it should be already obvious at the writting desk that Vulcans, Romulans and Klingons in a coming-of-age story is a bit too much.
Agreed.
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Just in case anyone is interested in the appaling nuRomulan design...
That wasn't about TNG style Romulans at all!
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As expected, a typical ignorant TNG hate post by you.

TOS Romulans were two interesting characters, TNG-ENT Romulans are a well-developed culture which includes their Vulcan descent.

NuRomulans don't have anything to do with either of them by the way.

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As expected, a typical ignorant TNG hate post by you.
Nah. You're just way too sensetive about TNG is all.
Contrasting your humor, which seems to be deadened.
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