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Old 09-03-2009, 01:09 PM
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That's not a good argument, so I guess you're trolling.
Your question is as dumb as asking something like "How did TUC show that Kirk overcame his hatred for Klingons?". An appropriate answer is: "Watch the movie, it's all in there.".
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Old 09-03-2009, 01:13 PM
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Your question is as dumb as asking something like "How did TUC show that Kirk overcame his hatred for Klingons?". An appropriate answer is: "Watch the movie, it's all in there.".
I did and it wasn't. It's there in a eus ex machina sense in that they didn't like each other and the beginning and they did (sort of) at the end. But there wasn't really much to show why there was that change.

Kirk challenges Spock throughout the movie and Kirk is right one most of the challenges, but that's not really something on which a friendship is based.

If it's really in the movie, it should be easy enough to point out . . .
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Old 09-03-2009, 01:23 PM
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Rewatch the movie or read what Kevin, Martok or Jim have written. If you want my version in a nutshell:
Impulsive Kirk naturally dislikes rational Spock and vice versa, Spock maroons Kirk, PrimeSpock tells Kirk that they have to become friends (causality paradox ?!), Kirk provokes Spock and shows him his human side, Spock learns from his father that emotions can be an asset, Spock wants to help and Kirk accepts him, they go on a mission together and start to get along, they learn to appreciate the strength of each other's styles, they develop mutual respect ... and at the end of the flick you can easily extrapolate that they might soon become good friends.
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Old 09-03-2009, 01:25 PM
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If you want my version in a nutshell:
Damn horatio, now I don't have to go see the movie again in IMAX this weekend
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Old 09-03-2009, 01:28 PM
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I also sometimes fall asleep in the theatre. It's no shame to admit it.

But seriously, you can't have missed how Spock and Kirk slowly start to become friends, that's all the movie was about.
One could complain that McCoy did not get a lot of screentime and that he had only one scene with Spock, but he did not have much more in previous Trek movies either. I doubt that it was possible to squeeze a third friendship (Kirk-Spock and Kirk-Bones were covered) into one movie.
The beginning to the Kirk-Bones friendship was clear, as it was apparant when Bones "snuck" Kirk onto the Enterprise. As for Kirk-Spock, I feel that the movie left them at the starting point of their friendship: as persons realizing that fate had put them together for a bigger purpose. There will be other adventures to further develop/mature their bond, as well the Bones-Spock friendship.
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Old 09-03-2009, 01:29 PM
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Somehow I think you won't miss the last chance for the super-big screen.
That would be illogical!
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Old 09-03-2009, 02:59 PM
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The movie was billed as showing how the crew came to be on the Enterprise and that it did. It was also supposed to show how Kirk and Spock (and McCoy too) became friends.

Did it really show that? If so how?
I don't think it showed the "actual" friendship, I gathered it showing the events that would lead to the gradual development of it.
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In other words, like horatio said, the entire movie. For me however, a real turning point was with the line:

"spock, Spock, SPOCK!!!!! It will work".
Indeed....faith in both Spock Prime, and in his contemporary Spock.
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I was going to add to this thread...but you Guys have already cover the "key" points quite effectively. well done!
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