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Old 08-23-2009, 07:11 AM
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Just to be clear, I don't look at WWIII and the Eugenics Wars as the same event. That was just one theory posited in the Bernd's article.

I also takes the dates as they are given in the show. It doesn't really need to be reconciled with our reality. I gave that up long ago...
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I also takes the dates as they are given in the show. It doesn't really need to be reconciled with our reality. I gave that up long ago...
Unfortunately, very few fans think of Trek as being a fictional universe with its own history, styles, and designs, IMO. The desire for some to indeed reconcile Trek with our reality generally leads to arguments about how outdated TOS is, with the same sentiments now beginning to happen with TNG...
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Unfortunately, very few fans think of Trek as being a fictional universe with its own history, styles, and designs, IMO. The desire for some to indeed reconcile Trek with our reality generally leads to arguments about how outdated TOS is, with the same sentiments now beginning to happen with TNG...
I think we all realize it's fictional, it's just a matter of how you want to look at it.
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Old 08-23-2009, 02:22 PM
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I think we all realize it's fictional, it's just a matter of how you want to look at it.
That's quite true.

I still think that Trek paints a great vision of the future, but I don't believe that it necessarily will end up that way.
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That's quite true.

I still think that Trek paints a great vision of the future, but I don't believe that it necessarily will end up that way.
I suppose it's possible, but like in Star Trek as was brought up above, I think we might have to go through hell first. And it's probably more than just a few hundred years a way.
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Old 08-23-2009, 02:28 PM
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I suppose it's possible, but like in Star Trek as was brought up above, I think we might have to go through hell first. And it's probably more than just a few hundred years a way.
That's just the thing...it will take a WWIII type of event to get there.
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Is that not slightly at odds with some 'Space Seed' dialogue that Khan was the acknowledged ruler of a quarter of the Earth before he was sent packing?
'Acknowledged' after the fact, perhaps. It's a bit of a stretch (or rather, a big stretch) but it kind of works: Khan and his cronies 'control' a quarter of the world from the background, manipulating wars and economies and politics without exposing themselves to the public. Later on, once he's gone, the truth emerges and history gets set straight.
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'Acknowledged' after the fact, perhaps. It's a bit of a stretch (or rather, a big stretch) but it kind of works: Khan and his cronies 'control' a quarter of the world from the background, manipulating wars and economies and politics without exposing themselves to the public. Later on, once he's gone, the truth emerges and history gets set straight.
When picturing it in my head (and reading the Greg Cox books), that's how I see it.
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Unfortunately, very few fans think of Trek as being a fictional universe with its own history, styles, and designs, IMO. The desire for some to indeed reconcile Trek with our reality generally leads to arguments about how outdated TOS is, with the same sentiments now beginning to happen with TNG...
I think we all realize it's fictional, it's just a matter of how you want to look at it.
And that is the number one basis for all arguments and debates about all aspects about the Star Trek Universe...
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Just because the universe has not panned out the way the TOS writers described, doesn't mean that Star Trek is irrelevant. Once 1984 had come and gone, it didn't make George Orwell's novel any less relevant because it was set in a time that had passed.

As someone who never has watched TOS (because I wasn't allowed to as a child and can't really get into it now), it's not dated because some of the timelines have passed, it's dated because CGI looks more real than the cardboard models and polystyrene bricks used in the 60s.
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