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Old 06-02-2009, 11:38 AM
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Coz everyone does?

At least, if they kill him again Shatner might not be around to write a pathetic resurrection novel about it.
But then Pine will be around to let his name be used on such a novel.
Sincerely, where is the point to let a character die, if you know he will be resurrected?
Doyle tried it once with Holmes, than surrendered to the readers and never did it again.
Superman died, came back
Batman died, will come back
Captain America died twice and will come back....
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Old 06-02-2009, 11:41 AM
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I think the point NCC was making is that Kirk couldn't have known about Spock traveling to Romulus prior to his own "death" on the 1701-B. If that was the case then the news of Spock on Romulas in "unification" would have been rather old.
Sent on an official mission, everyone knows. Kirk dies on the B. Spock returns at some point. Does some more ambassador type stuff for the Federation. Dissappears in Unifications, everyone says, where the hell did Spock go?
Of course its all just hypothetical
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I think the point NCC was making is that Kirk couldn't have known about Spock traveling to Romulus prior to his own "death" on the 1701-B. If that was the case then the news of Spock on Romulas in "unification" would have been rather old.
If Spock told Kirk he was on a secret mission nobody would know except of the two
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Old 06-02-2009, 11:44 AM
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Sent on an official mission, everyone knows. Kirk dies on the B. Spock returns at some point. Does some more ambassador type stuff for the Federation. Dissappears in Unifications, everyone says, where the hell did Spock go?
Of course its all just hypothetical
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If Spock told Kirk he was on a secret mission nobody would know except of the two
BOTH true. A bit of a stretch, even for Trek, but possible
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Old 06-02-2009, 11:45 AM
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But then Pine will be around to let his name be used on such a novel.
Sincerely, where is the point to let a character die, if you know he will be resurrected?
Doyle tried it once with Holmes, than surrendered to the readers and never did it again.
Superman died, came back
Batman died, will come back
Captain America died twice and will come back....
That's because people can't cope with death of fictional heroes. There is no meaning to a character's death period if resurrection automatically follows.

Not unless that experience damages and changes them. Even then, I genuinely think that people should stay dead once they die.

Spock should not really have been brought back in TSFS - much as I love that film.

Kirk can be killed off just fine - but then the writers don't give in (or surrender to readers etc) and bring him back.
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Old 06-02-2009, 11:52 AM
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Let's take the "Lower Decks". The episode works so well because the Bajoran cadet dies. Many of DS9's war stories like "The Siege of AR-558" work because it shows people who suffer and die.

Death has been too often been too "Teflon" in Trek, be it zapped redshirts in TOS no one cared for, be it death reports without faces in TNG, or be it resurrected main characters like Spock and Dax or Kirk and Data in the respective non-canon media.
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Very true - in TV land there's almost always a way to resurrect. It means not having to actually 'deal' with death.
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Yes, it was easily avoidable. When I first saw generations I thought "why didn't Picard just exit the Nexus at the point in time when Soran is brought on board the 1701-D, but PRIOR to him taking Geordi?" If Picard had done that he could have placed Soran in the brig, and given up all the details of the weapons lab. Easy. I guess that isn't dramatic enough
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_5h0BRO5O4
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WOW!!! Thanks for the link! That is EXACTLY what I was thinking! I suppose I should cruise YouTube a little more!
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That would have been the smart thing to do... especially from Picard. He is smart, isnt he? But then everything would have been over and he couldnt save the day at the last minute during a heroic fight. Captains like stuff like that. Looks good on their resume.
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