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Old 06-02-2009, 12:35 PM
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Klingon prison planet? I know these scenes were cut from the movie, but it still doesn't expaine a few things.
How did he get captured?
Why wait conveniently for 25 years to escape?
How did he escape?
Who had the Narada all that time?
Surely the Klingons would have used it if the had captured it and imprisoned Nero? Think of the untold damage they could have done with it.
My idea - from clues and info on deleted scenes.

The Narada was only 75,000 kilometers from Klingon space (from radio chatter at the start of the film).

The impact of the Kelvin was substantial and crippled the ship. The Klingons, who would have detected the same spatial distortion the Federation did, had sent ships to investigate.

They capture the Narada and her crew

The crew is imprisoned and the Narada taken to a secret Klingon base for investigation.

Klingons - not being the brightest bunch, don't really know what they have and don't do much with it.

Until Nero and his crew manage to escape and continue their job.
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Old 06-02-2009, 12:36 PM
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Yeah, let's cut out the only dialogue between McCoy and Spock.
By the way, Kirk was promoted to acting first officer by Pike and is a friend of McCoy. Naturally Spock asks himself what these two men appreciate about Kirk. Who is a far above average intelligence Starfleet cadet, not a redneck, by the way.
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Old 06-02-2009, 12:37 PM
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My idea - from clues and info on deleted scenes.

The Narada was only 75,000 kilometers from Klingon space (from radio chatter at the start of the film).

The impact of the Kelvin was substantial and crippled the ship. The Klingons, who would have detected the same spatial distortion the Federation did, had sent ships to investigate.

They capture the Narada and her crew

The crew is imprisoned and the Narada taken to a secret Klingon base for investigation.

Klingons - not being the brightest bunch, don't really know what they have and don't do much with it.

Until Nero and his crew manage to escape and continue their job.
Personally I suspect the Narada took offense to any Klingon trying to figure out how she worked, and promptly skewered them.
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Old 06-02-2009, 12:38 PM
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McCot was lambasting Spock for a poor command decision is what I took from it.

And because the Redneck was actually right?
Right about what? Spock and McCoy didnt know anything about the jellyfish or the red matter at that point. All Kirk had done so far was warning Pike about something inevitable and proposing to chase the Narada and do something. He didnt have a plan at all, nothing, nada, zero. Then he starts a physical fight because Spock doesnt agree with... yeah... with what? Going after the Narada to... uhm... I make that up as I go? If thats the prize stallion, then I do not want to see what the average Ensign John Doe does do all day.

PS: Oh, and by the way, the ship has a communication system. Perhaps if Kirk would have given the bridge a call instead of running arround, perhaps he could have warned Pike about that trap a little faster

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Old 06-02-2009, 12:41 PM
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Right about what? Spock and McCoy didnt know anything about the jellyfish or the red matter at that point. All Kirk had done so far was warning Pike about something inevitable and proposing to chase the Narada and do something. He didnt have a plan at all, nothing, nada, zero. Then he starts a physical fight because Spock doesnt agree with... yeah... with what? Going after the Narada to... uhm... I make that up as I go? If thats the prize stallion, then I do not want to see what the average Ensign John Doe does do all day.
Spock's plan wouldn't have got them any further either, they would never have encountered old Spock or the Red Matter if they had just gone and met the fleet.

Yeah, coz the ships they had sent in so far really affected the Narada, so let's take some more and throw them at it and hope that maybe more than 7 will work.
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Old 06-02-2009, 12:44 PM
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He also succeeded in deactivating the drilling platform. And, to repeat myself, Kirk is acting first officer. So while Spock does not understand why Pike made him first officer and why McCoy likes him, he is definitely a bit curious about that guy. And obviously a bit intimidated or confused, why else would he violate protocol and maroon him on Delta Vega?
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Old 06-02-2009, 12:47 PM
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Spock's plan wouldn't have got them any further either, they would never have encountered old Spock or the Red Matter if they had just gone and met the fleet.
Right. But neither Kirk, nor Spock nor McCoy do know that by the time Bones rants about prize stallions and heart decisions. Thats why the whole dialogue is nonsensical. Spock doesnt know Kirk, so why is McCoy expecting Spock to feel bad about marooning a mutinying stranger? Why is he angered that Spock does not feel bad about his decision? What did he expect?

And Spocks plan was the only logical plan: They had no chance to stop the Narada whatsoever. Again, at this point nobody, neither Kirk nor Spock knew about the red matter, Prime Spock, the Jellyfish, etc. Thats what makes Kirks plan to chase the Narada so stupid. What did he actually intend to do once they face the ship?
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Old 06-02-2009, 12:49 PM
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Kirk wasn't being mutinous as far as I can tell. They should have worked together, but Spock, pissed over the kobayashi Maru, decided not to do that and simply silenced the other voice.
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Old 06-02-2009, 12:54 PM
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Kirk wasn't being mutinous as far as I can tell. They should have worked together, but Spock, pissed over the kobayashi Maru, decided not to do that and simply silenced the other voice.
Well, in the movie I saw Kirk was physically attacking the security officers who where ordered to escort him off the bridge because he had lost his temper and was screaming and yelling he wants to chase the Narada while having no clue what to do when they would have caught up with the beast. In what I saw there was a man who behaved terribly unprofessional, didnt accept orders and physically attacked colleagues.

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It's not like Spock's plan would not have lead to the destruction of Earth. Kirk's plan was not sound, rational or logical, but unlike Spock's it worked.
What do you mean? What plan? What worked?
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