[MrQ1701]

Originally Posted by RedShirtsRuS

I could apply everything you just said to TWOK.

I think you just said a whole lot of nothing.

I'll make a really long thread answering your question maybe later tonight.

Ummm, didn't I already say that NONE of the movies have the same qualities as what made Trek great on television? You think the "nerd" stigma came from nothingness?

Don't bother with the thread, there are a ton of them already.

[kevin]

Especially as not every single hour of Trek ever made examined the human condition or was cerebral anyway.

Plenty of it was far worse than anything in the new film.

Basically 'cerebral' Trek simply doesn't work on the big screen. It's not fitted for it. You have to put it on TV to get it. So if the movie is all action - that's fine by me.

[MrQ1701]

Originally Posted by AyanEva

Does every single thread have to veer off into this good/bad argument? It's not even close to being on topic.

I was defending the guy that said Trek has sold out (I'm paraphrasing). This thread is about how much cash Star Trek has made. He agrees with me that this movie lacks aspects that made TV Trek such a long lasting television show(s). While I will wait to judge the NEXT movie before I declare Trek a sell out, this movie did a pretty good job of making that case a good one.

[HFM]

Agreed MrQ1701 number 1 was a total disgrace although the character of bones was the only sucessful venture.

[MrQ1701]

Originally Posted by kevin

Especially as not every single hour of Trek ever made examined the human condition or was cerebral anyway..

What about TV Trek would you say made it great, even if those aspects were in a minority of episodes?

Originally Posted by kevin

Plenty of it was far worse than anything in the new film..

I'm not quite as harsh when judging epoisodes. I actually think there are way more good episodes than bad ones. Maybe it's because I'm not a writer or educated enough that I am not as critical. What I don't understand is how you can be harsh with the episodes, yet NOT harsh with this movie. It's almost like your applying two sets of standards.

Originally Posted by kevin

Basically 'cerebral' Trek simply doesn't work on the big screen. It's not fitted for it. You have to put it on TV to get it. So if the movie is all action - that's fine by me.

I think this is why there are two sets of standards, one for TV and one for the big screen. Don't you think that may be why the movies didn't do so well? The fans of the TV series didn't support them because they lacked the TV qualities they cherished so much, and the average movie goer said "Not that 'nerdy' Trek again!"

[starbase Britain]

Im so chuffed this movie is going to sail past the $300 million mark worldwide. i wonder how much money it would have made if trekkies hadnt gone to se it about 6 times each!!! its a flippant remark but i wonder how much impact that has really had.
starbase Britain

[MrQ1701]

Originally Posted by starbase Britain

Im so chuffed this movie is going to sail past the $300 million mark worldwide. i wonder how much money it would have made if trekkies hadnt gone to se it about 6 times each!!! its a flippant remark but i wonder how much impact that has really had.
starbase Britain

Too bad they don't take polls at the theaters as you're about to enter. "Do you consider yourself a fan of Star Trek?"

Those poll results would be a nice thing to see.

[Samuel]

Originally Posted by AyanEva

Does every single thread have to veer off into this good/bad argument? It's not even close to being on topic.

Hmmm... perhaps the success means people have been wanting a non-cerebral Trek for a long time as a refreshing change of pace. T-bone steaks are wonderful but get old if its the only kind of meat you eat. Sometimes you gotta have a great ol juicy triple-decker bbq cheeseburger with all the trimmings.

[HFM]

Right on the mark

[MrQ1701]

Originally Posted by Samuel

Hmmm... perhaps the success means people have been wanting a non-cerebral Trek for a long time as a refreshing change of pace. T-bone steaks are wonderful but get old if its the only kind of meat you eat. Sometimes you gotta have a great ol juicy triple-decker bbq cheeseburger with all the trimmings.

Imagine a steak house that draws national attention because of it's great T-Bone steaks (to use your example). Surely there are other restaurants around that serve different food, and it's great to visit them every now and then. Now imagine the steakhouse STOPS selling it's most cherished T-Bone because it wants to attract a different audience. Hey, aren't there places that are popular because of the giant steaks? Kind of the same thing.

p.s. Now I want a bbq cheeseburger! Mmmmmm...