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Old 05-23-2009, 04:37 PM
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The Borg are coming and have been since a signal was sent in the 22nd century. Q just gave Picard a cold water wake up to this fact. Nothing Nero has done would change that. Nero's weapons won't stop V'ger or its quest to find "The Creator"

Praxis exploded due to over mining. Nero doesn't care so HE won't tell the Klingons to be enviromentally minded. (Even if the warning would be heeded.) There is no reason for the Klingons to change their mining practices unless Spock Prime warns them and the very act of warning them might fall afoul of the law of unintended consequences.

On the other hand it might turn out better... The events on Praxis are very much susceptible to change.

Look at it like this: Let's say that Character X lost his parents in a car crash. He goes back in time and prevents the accident. The lives of himself and his siblings will immediately diverge from the original path, but the life of someone the same age on the other side of the world may not be affected by the Butterfly Effect for many years or maybe not at all.
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Old 05-23-2009, 04:43 PM
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I was a little surprised that Spock played pretty loose with the truth to begin with. Then again, if someone blew up earth I'd want to stop them.
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Old 05-23-2009, 07:12 PM
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Number 2 is not really that likely. He blew away 47 Klingon ships and if he wants to make Romulus "safe" then he knows that after the Federation, the Klingons are another threat to his people. Barring the novelization, we don't know the specifics of his capture but obvious the Klingons didn't get the Naranda. Possibly Nero tried to use Robau's shuttle from the Kelvin on some sort of reconnaisance mission when he was captured leaving his crew to find him. It is unlikely the Klingons had any real sense of the Naranda's power and technology before their ships started falling like clay pigeons.
Unfortunately, I didn't read Countdown (still plan to), but think about this: What better a bargaining chip, than to make nice with the Klingons by sharing more advanced technology promised to give their cherished empire a major advantage over the Federation? Hence, you have a major problem the Federation would need to "nip in the bud". Don't forget, in the movie Nero mentioned a desire to see Romulus being free of Federation influence. That being the case, why wouldn't have have somehow managed to communicate these advances to them for the same purpose--to give them a technological advantage? In any case, I think the next movie should definitely include Spock Prime's having shared his knowledge so as to ward off trouble from some not-so-neighborly adversaries.
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Old 05-23-2009, 07:34 PM
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The Borg are coming and have been since a signal was sent in the 22nd century. Q just gave Picard a cold water wake up to this fact. Nothing Nero has done would change that. Nero's weapons won't stop V'ger or its quest to find "The Creator"

Praxis exploded due to over mining. Nero doesn't care so HE won't tell the Klingons to be enviromentally minded. (Even if the warning would be heeded.) There is no reason for the Klingons to change their mining practices unless Spock Prime warns them and the very act of warning them might fall afoul of the law of unintended consequences.

On the other hand it might turn out better... The events on Praxis are very much susceptible to change.

Look at it like this: Let's say that Character X lost his parents in a car crash. He goes back in time and prevents the accident. The lives of himself and his siblings will immediately diverge from the original path, but the life of someone the same age on the other side of the world may not be affected by the Butterfly Effect for many years or maybe not at all.
I see what you're saying but maybe in this timeline the borg never got the signal. Or there are no borg, they were wiped out by another species. Maybe the Klingons updated their mining practices or they used Praxis for something else or never even used it at all? There could be an infinite number of alternate realities, or universes existing next to our own time and they might all have a different progression.
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Old 05-23-2009, 09:57 PM
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It's not future knowledge since this is an alternate reality. I say, he should spill anything he thinks might let them live a happier, safer life. He should offer up the cure for that disease that was going to kill McCoy ( Xenopolycythemia). He should definitely make sure everyone understands the Pon Farr thing.

In this reality, they may never need that knowledge, but if they do, they'd have it.
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Old 05-23-2009, 10:11 PM
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He should reveal information as and when it's needed. Not spill everything in one debrief session.

He knows this universe is altered, he has no idea how telling everything may further change things. And he has absolutely NO guarantee those changes would be for the better.
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I see what you're saying but maybe in this timeline the borg never got the signal. Or there are no borg, they were wiped out by another species. Maybe the Klingons updated their mining practices or they used Praxis for something else or never even used it at all? There could be an infinite number of alternate realities, or universes existing next to our own time and they might all have a different progression.
Ah you forget this time line diverged from the original during the Kelvin attack, so anything before the attack aka the events of Enterprise happened in both time lines. The borg exist and are on the way. But I think Spock has done enough time travel to realize that telling the Federation about the borg could have unforeseen and dire consequences. better to cut your losses and run rather then go for the big money and wind up mucking everything up.
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Old 05-23-2009, 10:17 PM
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I agree - he has to let this new universe unfold as naturally as possible. Just because it was created by accident doesn't mean he can go around and tell everyone their fates in the future.

This new universe isn't his playground to direct and shape at will.
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Why? He's now part of that reality. Why does he have to let it take nasty turns?
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I see what you're saying but maybe in this timeline the borg never got the signal. Or there are no borg, they were wiped out by another species. Maybe the Klingons updated their mining practices or they used Praxis for something else or never even used it at all? There could be an infinite number of alternate realities, or universes existing next to our own time and they might all have a different progression.
Possibly,,, But the premise was that it was the incursion of Nero and Spock Prime that precipitates all the changes from the TOS timeline. Based on that premise, these things are not affected.
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