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Old 05-18-2009, 07:08 AM
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Atheists are always talking to me about religion.
How do you know that those who are not talking to you about religion are not atheists too?
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Old 05-18-2009, 07:19 AM
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How do you know that those who are not talking to you about religion are not atheists too?
No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!!!!


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Old 05-18-2009, 07:21 AM
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Old 05-18-2009, 07:26 AM
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Old 05-18-2009, 08:17 AM
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Since this thread may end up being closed due to religious talk, I'll add my two cents that may end up confusing a lot of people.

Just something to think about: many Christians are doomed for Hell, while many atheists will be in Paradise.

P.S. I am a Christian.
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Old 05-18-2009, 08:54 AM
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If we say atheism is a belief, then secularization is the opression of all other religious beliefs. Then an impartial treatment of religion becomes impossible. And if impartiality is impossible, then the state is forced to choose sides.
Great way to frame the discussion! I like it.

To me, that is where the difference comes in between atheism and antitheism. The US is government, in theory, atheist (at least by the definition I was using of having no belief in a god), whereas the Soviet government was antitheistic (at least by my definition of actively believing that there is no god). The difference is crucial to me. Whereas (in theory) the US constitution focuses on separation of state and church, the Soviet government actively discouraged religion. From what I can see, the Federation itself is atheist, and the people that live and work in Federation jobs or space have religious freedom.

Of course, nothing is perfect. A government can't really separate itself from religious beliefs 100% of the time. Many of the morals any society holds are derived from one religion or another, and the morals of a society should be reflected in it's laws, so things do get blurry. Separation of church and state is more like a goal to strive for than a clear cut legal basis, but it is still, in my opinion, a good thing for a government to be striving for.
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Old 05-18-2009, 09:52 AM
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In an effort to gently prod this thread back onto track...

I, for one did NOT miss the secular humanism undertones. I thoroughly enjoyed a Star Trek movie that was an action adventure spectacle with a dose of character.

GR was variously described as a humanist or an atheist. If you read his novelization of TMP I think you get an insight into his beliefs (at least at that time). And the behind the scenes stuff that went on regarding STV: TFF gives further insight. He seemed at that time to be "anti God" (would that be "active atheism"?)

Regardless, I prefer my SF not to try and cram any particular belief (or lack thereof) down my throat. Especially Trek - which tries to paint the future as tolerant, diverse, and all inclusive.
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